LCT Calls Out TBLimo As A Poser?

[gunny]

LCT's Blog Writer & Editor Martin Romjue jumps on Moshe Leib's recent loss in appeals with a Headline Banner that the "Prius is Not a Limo" mistakenly reporting that a panel of judges in Tampa ruled that the Prius is not a limo.

His reponse to a correction that the appeal was held in the 11th Circuit "Atlanta" & his statements obviously show that he did not review the courts decision ends with:

" Operators have the freedom to offer it; customers who want to feel green can certainly rent it; and we at LCT can call out industry posers and suckers when we see them."

So, is this Editor for LCT who never operated a limo business calling Leib a "poser" and his customers who want the "Prius" for a ride to the airport "suckers"?

Leib, whose primary base customers are elderly leisure travelers, added the Prius to augment his "L" Series Fleet in order to offer the travelers a more cost effective option with transfers from Pinellas County to and from the Tampa airport. The Prius overwhelmingly commands more requests than his "L's" & that scares the shit out of the high-overhead Dinosuars watching corporate work dry up and unable to compete for the leisure market pie dominated by shakers & gypsy's & we all know happened to the Dino's . The Court ruling simply means that Leib can't use the Prius to pick up at the Tampa airport for now & I do emphasize the "for now". Until other legal remedies are exhausted, Leib can still run the Prius throughout the State and even drop his passengers off at TIA.

So, back on target, where does LCT get off stating that operators running the Prius or any lower cost hybrid vehicle such as the Camry are "posers" and the customers saving a few bucks "suckers"?

Typical "protect the revenue stream" LCT hack job commentary. I can't wait until Leib returns from his trip & forwards Martin's comments to eco-groups now building force behind him & his crusade.



The whole Martin post to ensure a record of in case they decide to delete.

"Fine, Atlanta, not Tampa. The point is a Prius cannot be considered a luxury chauffeured vehicle because 1) It's too small; 2) The wheelbase is too short; 3) It lacks a big, smooth luxury ride; 4) The engine doesn't have performance, endurance, or stamina of a V-8 to handle many multipe runs daily. These points have amply been pointed out by operators.
Operators have the freedom to offer it; customers who want to feel green can certainly rent it; and we at LCT can call out industry posers and suckers when we see them."

[Jim30]

Wow. That is crazy. There are some very successful limousine companies in this country using the Prius as a green alternative to the gas guzzling Towncar and large SUV's. I do not consider a van a limousine either but then again they seem to be an industry norm.

I have personally used Moshe's service and his business certainly is not that of a "poser". To be honest my parents would prefer to take a lower cost alternative - and not a shared ride or shuttle - in and out of Tampa to Pinellas County. What a mess it is down there!

Jim

[Zburdette]

If I ever need to work or use a service in this area, Moshe is my only choice. LCT should write about the other providers in this area who follow the good ole boy thinking. Are they upset that Moshe thought outside the box?

Keep going at them Moshe.

[gunny]

LCT should write about the other providers in this area who follow the good ole boy thinking.

That would take what they surely lack. Balls & Integrity.

[Wade Randolph]

I don't know why the guy with LCT would have said that. They did a large article on Y Fray and EcoLimo in the past touting the "green" virtues of the Prius. They must have given him a long leash or he spoke without Sara's blessing on that subject. Avalon Transportation one of the largest networks just bought EcoLimo to get into the "green" business.

[gunny]

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[gunny]

I don't know why the guy with LCT would have said that. They did a large article on Y Fray and EcoLimo in the past touting the "green" virtues of the Prius. They must have given him a long leash or he spoke without Sara's blessing on that subject. Avalon Transportation one of the largest networks just bought EcoLimo to get into the "green" business.

Fark the leash Wade, I'll tell you what the real deal is. Moshe did something that few have the balls to do by themselves or as a group (reason why TIA was able to add to the Tampa fees totals, right Shaw?) & starts a fight to be able to do what Operators throughout this Nation are able to and actually do. Due to a strategic miss-step by the lawyer, Moshe gets creamed in the Circuit Court of Appeals and this Clown writer at LCT does a celebratory dance that a member of the Industry LCT purports to represent lost his case.

I've maintained the stance that LCT & the NLA doesn't represent the Industry as a whole and this is just another example.

Part Of The Posting:

Hey, Hollyweird! Prius Is Not a Limo!

"FEDERAL JUDGES RULE: There you have it; a panel of FEDERAL! judges in Tampa have ruled that a Prius is not a limo. We hope this case sets a precedent nationwide, and delegitimizes the mousy little Prius as both a limousine and a livery vehicle. Using a skimpy Prius instead of a Town Car is like substituting a scrap of tofu for Prime Rib. "

Now, who in the Fark is WE?

[MrQ45Limo]

Why is it that the Airports in this country seem to be one of the biggest DETRIMENTS to our Industry. On a Second NOTE How does someone who has never been an Owner Operator or Chauffeur feel vindicated in writting or advising or for that matter representing OUR INDUSTRY OR US?

[wflimonj]

I personally think that a prius isnt very luxurious but this guy has no right to dish out what people can use and not use. Then I think they should rule out all non qvm vehicles for limos also.

[MrQ45Limo]

I do not agree about the QVM ...Some of us that maybe running Specialty or Vintage Vehicles to get the edge over our competition shouldn't have more restrictions put on us as long as we meet our local Government Safety Inspections. Which I am not a huge fan, but for the legitimization and Safety of Clients I am willing to comply.

[wflimonj]

I do not agree about the QVM ...Some of us that maybe running Specialty or Vintage Vehicles to get the edge over our competition shouldn't have more restrictions put on us as long as we meet our local Government Safety Inspections. Which I am not a huge fan, but for the legitimization and Safety of Clients I am willing to comply.

you dont think its dangerous to drive that q45 filled wth passengers. Factory brakes, tires, and tranmission was never designed t hold that amount of weight. Thats why you see yous burn up H2 trannys and what not to much stress.

[MrQ45Limo]

I never over book with Passengers...The Factory Brakes on the Q45 are better than the beefed up brakes on my Lincolns...The car is built well...Tires have been converted to the same tires that are on all my Lincolns. as far as the tranny is concerned I guess that will remain to be seen.. H.2's to me were never an option for my Company,,,I don't care for them,,,, nothing personal I just don't like getting like NO MILES TO THE GALLON...Expensive Parts,,,Expensive Labor...My friends have a Rolls Royce Classic and they are good people I would hate to see the QVM Restriction put them out of commision...Some of the One Offs around this country granted are questionable,,,But some are pretty inovative and built quite strong..Las Vegas Coach works doesn't have the QVM backing, but I would purchase one of Lionels cars in a minute...He stands behind his work and just because he doesn't have pockets deep enough to satisfy the QVM Politics and Standards doesn't mean his cars aren't safe or for that matter hold up.

[Limo Scene]

I want to clarify that I am not defending Martin in his post as it is a "blog" and as a member of the panel of four bloggers on LimoCentric, we, as writers are free to write anything we want there of our own personal opinion and agenda. That blog is the only place that we are free to write our PERSONAL feelings.

THEY ARE NOT LCT'S OPINION.

A point here about the blog is that I recently had one of my entries censored because somewhat got their panties in a wad and called LCT. I kicked and screamed that the blog was supposed to be MY opinions and I should be able to share MY opinions as they are - like them or not. By the end of the day, it was revised back to my original version.

Now that we have clarified that it is NOT LCT but Martin's personal opinions let's move on to the missed point:

The point is: PRIUS IS NOT A LIMOUSINE, as declared by the court.

And HELLLLLO????? It is NOT a limousine. I have never seen a Prius stretched and to consider it as a LUXURY car is bullshit. Not even close to luxury.

So, people are free to run it in their fleet just a people are free to charter them if that is what they desire and they have no interest in luxury but are looking more for practicality and more important, that all important public perception. As mentioned previously, they arrive on the red carpet in a Prius to make a social statement and leave in a LTC 120" or Suburban. It is all for show.

To me, you cannot dispute the original point. The Prius is NOT a luxury vehicle and it is not a limousine and the courts agreed with that. Who cares who operates them? Just don't pretend that they are luxury by any means and no one will consider you a poser. They are what they are - little tin cans with batteries and a combustible engine.............sort of.

END OF STORY.

[First Class Limos]

A prius is not a limo just like a van is not a limo, in my opinion at least. However, there are many many people who want to goto the airport that do not want a "limo", they just want transportation there, and alot of the time they want "cheap" transportation and price is their main or only concern.

[gunny]

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The point is: PRIUS IS NOT A LIMOUSINE, as declared by the court.

Correct, based on what was presented before for the Court, The PRIUS does not meet the definition of limousine under HCPTC Rule 1.15 and therefore ineligilble to receive an HCPTC limousine vehicle permit to load passengers in Hillsborough County.

So, I guess the next challenge will be nulifying the rule as an unlawful exercise of delegated authority which enlarges and modifies the stautory definition of limousine as provided for under Florida Law.

In the meantime, Leib will continue to offer his poser limo service PRIUS to the suckers looking to save some money for drops to TIA as well as transport to wherever else they need to go in the State vice using his more expensive "L" Series TC's & those Tampa Operators who pushed for large, expensive luxury cars only with high insurance premiums will continue to have grandma hanging up on their asses (even at a grand luxury price of $40 per hour/transfer) as they watch their corporate accounts dry up with mom & pops continuing to roll with the gypsy's not far behind.




Now that calls for a celebratory dance!

BTW James, you interpret this your way, I'll interpret it my way & the readers can have their own take on it:
"and we at LCT can call out industry posers and suckers when we see them."