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    I got a flyer in the mail that has a replcement for R13A called Maxi Frig 12A. Has anyone here used it? The price of R13A in NY is about $7 for a 12 oz can and the Maxi Frig is $1.99 a can.
    www.maxifrig.com

    It will be great if it works and the price is right. It sounds too good to be true thats why
    i wanted to see if anyone had experience with this product.

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    Junior Member Limo Padawan
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    umm... that's something that i haven't heard of. but hey, share with us if you'll decide to get one going, ok?

    thanx

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    A quick google search and I located this note about this flammable substitute for Freon on the EPA website from the year 2000...not sure if the company ever bothered to respond or not.....

    EPA requests information on the refrigerants Enviro-Safe, Red Tek,
    Maxi-Frig, ES-12A, and Auto Cool. EPA has received numerous inquiries
    regarding the SNAP acceptability of the above refrigerants for use in
    motor vehicle air conditioners (MVACs). Materials disseminated through
    mailings and the internet (Air Docket A-91-42, item IX-B-60) have made
    consumers question whether the products listed above are acceptable
    substitutes under the SNAP program for CFC-12 (R12 or freon) and other
    ozone-depleting CFC-12 substitutes. Under Section 612(e) of the CAA,
    any person who produces a substitute for a CFC is required to submit
    information to EPA at least 90 days before the substitute is introduced
    into interstate commerce. The refrigerants listed above have not been
    submitted to EPA for review under the SNAP program. Therefore, the
    Agency believes that they cannot be sold as replacements for CFC-12 or
    other ozone-depleting CFC substitutes in MVACs.
    Additionally, based on advertising materials, Material Safety Data
    Sheets (MSDSs) and independent laboratory testing (Air Docket A-91-42,
    item IX-B-60), EPA believes the refrigerants listed above may be
    flammable hydrocarbon-based blends. In June 1995, flammable
    refrigerants were listed as unacceptable as substitutes for CFC-12 in
    MVACs because a comprehensive risk assessment on the use of flammable
    refrigerants had not been submitted to EPA (60 FR 31092). EPA welcomes
    the submission of such a risk assessment. However, until EPA receives
    sufficient information on the potential risks of flammable refrigerants
    in MVACs, all flammable refrigerants are unacceptable as substitutes
    for CFC-12 and ozone-depleting freon substitutes in MVACs, unless
    specifically listed as acceptable. Consumers should also be aware that
    the following 19 states ban the use of flammable refrigerants in MVACs:
    Arkansas, Arizona, Connecticut, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas,
    Louisiana, Maryland, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Texas, Utah,
    Virginia, Wisconsin, Washington, and the District of Columbia. For
    further information about flammable refrigerants, see EPA's web site
    (http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrig...hc12alng.html).
    EPA requests information on the composition and the flammability of
    Enviro-Safe, Red Tek, Maxi-Frig, ES-12A, and Auto Cool. We also would
    welcome any formal risk assessment on these refrigerants.
    Tony Franzetti
    Marriton Limousine, Austin, TX
    Austin Limousine service, Austin airport service, austin bus charters
    http://www.marritonlimo.com

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    Here's another thought,R134a is 30% less efficient than the old refridgerant, what is Max frig 12a like, better or worse, I don't know as I have not seen any figures, as we all want the coolest system its a question we should ask, here's another one we got caught out on in the early 90's with R134a as it had a smaller particulate level resulting in the replacement of all the old rubber based tubing allowing seepage, whats the constituant properties of Maxi frig ? Could do with a bit of tech research before jumping in at the deep end ?

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    It seems kinda weird that you cant find their address on the website. The only thing I found was a toll-free number. How reputable do you think they are??

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    Find contact info for the website at:

    http://whois.domaintools.com/maxifrig.com

    -Greg
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    I had a lot of the same questions about this company thats why i did a post here to get some more opinons. Advertised claims are often just hype but if this product works for $2 a can it makes sense. I remember last year when R13a was
    $10 to $12 per 12 oz can it gets expensive.

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    i have had my limo regased with r12a(hychill).
    quiet a few limousine operators are using hychill. The aircon does seem to be cooling the limo more effectively than r134a.

    www.hychill.com

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    I have used this product for over 5 years it works excellent gets colder than the regular 134 I have never had any problems I buy it 10 cases at a time I have not had any problems with this company they are prompt at delivery I've been satisfied with there service

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    Thanks for the update

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    Quote Originally Posted by drhatt View Post
    I have used this product for over 5 years it works excellent gets colder than the regular 134 I have never had any problems I buy it 10 cases at a time I have not had any problems with this company they are prompt at delivery I've been satisfied with there service
    Why would you buy 10 cases at a time? How often do you buy 10 cases? Do you have leaks? How big of a fleet do you have?
    Jerry Thomas

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    I have an auto sales and repair business I purchase insurance repairable autos 10 cases 120 cans usually last about a year averages out to about 2.99 a can the local auto parts stores are 10 to 17 a can so theres quite a bit savings in my business.

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    Why are you buying the small cans if you use that much? I buy the large cans that hold 30# and I compared prices and the 30# cans are way cheaper per #. The price changes every year but I believe its somewhere around $180-$220 for a 30# can. If you're doing lots of them you should also look into the vacuum system that recycles the refrigerant.

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    I've been using a product called Super-Freeze 134a http://Super-Freeze.com. I've been very pleased with it, but I have a feeling that all of these products are the same.

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