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    Q & A's off the Hillsborough County Public Transportation Website:

    Q9 If I rarely operate in Hillsborough County and only have to make one or two pickups a year at the airport or cruise terminal, can I get authorization to do so without obtaining a license?
    A9 The enabling legislation for the PTC makes no provisions for exceptions to the licensing requirements, even if for one pick up. The Staff of the PTC has no authority to make an exception.

    Q10 What would happen if I operate without a license (Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity)?
    A10 It is a second degree misdemeanor to do so. An individual could be subject to arrest, court appearance, fines and so forth.
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    FITA files request for Florida Senate Investigation/Letter Of Intent To Bring Suit

    A letter to various State Agencies and Florida Senators has been mailed demanding that the Florida Attorney General be summoned to investigate elements of the Special Act that created the Hillsborough County Public Transportation Commission. The letter advises that the next step will be a lawsuit filed to challenge the constitutionality of the Special Act.

    In part the letter brings attention that the Special Act has placed vehicles defined under ch316.003 (3) &(78) as nonpublic sector buses under the regulatory of the HCPTC.

    Pursuant to ch316.70 the Florida Department of Transportation has been charged with regulating motor carriers utilizing nonpublic sector buses which includes vehicle safety, compliance of state mandated insurance, yearly driver license checks, motor carrier compliance reviews and the ability to levy fines against motor carriers found not in compliance with .70 or any rules or directives issued by the FDOT.

    As such, the FDOT, a Florida State Agency, is the regulatory agency of motor carriers utilizing nonpublic sector buses.

    Placing the regulatory of nonpublic sector buses under the HCPTC via a Special Act violates Article III, Section 11 (20) of the Florida Constitution which reads:
    There shall be no special law or general law of local application pertaining to regulation of occupations which are regulated by a state agency.
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    There is that old saying that goes something like, "Be careful what you say in public because it just might turn around and bite you in the ass".
    "But the problem is when you start getting other people who abuse the system, and that's generally what happens to a good rule* is that people abuse it. So what we have is a situation where company "A", who is a certificate holder, aligns itself with company "B", who is not a certificate holder for whatever reason, and then they sort of share the certificate and share the permits, and we're looking at it." Greg Cox, Executive Director HCPTC

    * leasing of permits not covered in HCPTC rules nor addressed in the special act.

    Question will be, how will CAREY filter in numerous individual corporations & place these companies under a Tampa based certificate holder without being in violation of not "rules" but a state law?

    Read starting with Guy Mongello of the West Florida Livery Association (right after intros)

    Limo Company Working Under Another's Certificate

    Do note comments by now NLA Director Julie Herring.
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    Answer from Miami-Dade:

    This email is provided in response to your February 23, 2007 letter regarding Super Bowl 2007. Please be advised that for this event, Miami-Dade County issued a total of 1,334 temporary limousine licenses. These licenses were applied for by 213 companies. The licenses were valid from January 25,2007 thru February 8, 2007.
    Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

    Raul A. Gonzalez, Special Projects Administrator 2
    Miami-Dade County
    Consumer Services Department
    Passenger Transportation Regulatory Division


    That's a shit load of temp permits! When it comes to permanent limo numbers, Tampa is no Miami!

    And Mucho Grande' Driver's needing Tampa Public Vehicle Driver's Licenses (Florida Licenses also) as required under Florida Law.
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    My understanding is that it was a strong Super Bowl.
    Originally posted by gunny:
    Answer from Miami-Dade:

    This email is provided in response to your February 23, 2007 letter regarding Super Bowl 2007. Please be advised that for this event, Miami-Dade County issued a total of 1,334 temporary limousine licenses. These licenses were applied for by 213 companies. The licenses were valid from January 25,2007 thru February 8, 2007.
    Please let me know if you have any additional questions.

    Raul A. Gonzalez, Special Projects Administrator 2
    Miami-Dade County
    Consumer Services Department
    Passenger Transportation Regulatory Division


    That's a shit load of temp permits! When it comes to permanent limo numbers, Tampa is no Miami!

    And Mucho Grande' Driver's needing Tampa Public Vehicle Driver's Licenses (Florida Licenses also) as required under Florida Law.
    Dean Schuler

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    Draconian Laws Cut Both Ways!

    No City can sponsor large special events without transportation reinforcement.
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    Florida VFH Driver's with DMV issued chauffeurs or CDL"P" endorsement licenses take note:

    Chapter 322.41 F.S. - Local Issuance Of Drivers License Prohibited

    Any person issued a driver's license by the Department may exercise the privilege thereby granted upon all streets and highways in the state and <span class="ev_code_RED">shall not</span> be required by any county, municipality, or other local board or body having authority to adopt local police regulations to obtain any other license to exercise such privilege.

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    The other day FITA did a mass emailing to the industry located within Florida's Central area (Orlando) and Central East Coast. We received several positive responses including one from a motor carrier who provided us with an attachment of figures to be utilized in their brief with a Florida State Senator. One negative response was received from Guy Mongello of ELS Florida. For those who don't know of Mongello, he was the President of the WFLA & I believe the FGTA and is a sitting board member of the TLPA.

    Without going deep into his response lets say it was a-typical of the so-called leadership of the Industry whereas these individuals are totally ignorant of the issues and the laws. All words, no substance & easily ripped apart.

    In one sentence did ask us what we are trying to hide. In part our response was, "We've heard enough of metro operators playing the "public safety" card yet not pushing for statewide registration of motor carriers and drivers to ensure that every individual transporting passengers have met basic minimum qualifications not just in Tampa, Orlando etc.. So the question is, who has what to hide? Those pushing for State Registration of every single motor carrier or those opposed?"

    Leaders of Limousine Associations of Florida be on notice. You better learn the laws and be prepared to answer the tough question of why the Board Members of the NLA & TLPA located in Florida and heads of local associations are not pushing for a single state registration that will help protect the traveling consumer regardless of what county they are located in.
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    Just a little notice that the Florida Intrastate Transportation Alliance has launched a "Tell All" website.

    If you are located in Florida visit it & visit often as it will constantly be updated.

    If you are one of the NLA, TLPA or local Florida Limousine Association (all) pukes that relies on Totalitarian Local Government Regulation to restrict competition, put travelers safety at risk or rip off the traveling consumer; I'll be glad to highlight your antics.

    The Florida Intrastate Transportation Alliance
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    What Is The Hillsborough County Public Transportation Commission Hiding?

    In response to a document release request under the Florida Sunshine Law seeking all documentation regarding transportation requirements for the 2009 Super Bowl as well as for Tampa's failed bid for the 2008 RNC, FITA received a "unsigned" letter from the office of the HCPTC that no such documents were on file.

    When contacted by reporters concerning the planned Super Bowl Lawsuit, Greg Cox, Executive Director of the HCPTC declined to make a comment.

    So what is the HCPTC hiding? What laws is the Executive Director violating or plans on violating?

    No documents on transportation for the 2008 RNC when Cox himself was a member of the committee? Yeah, right. No docs for the Super Bowl? Huh, Huh, ...sure thing ...
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    Ah yes, the Florida Industry Anti-Competition Rats are at it again. Reported in May 2007 Limo Digest that the Greater Orlando Limousine Association will be seeking a moratorium on limiting limo permits in Orlando.

    Yo GOLA, remember that because of all this multiple permiting that you regulatory maggots love, motor carriers based outside of Orlando need those permits to enter & load their passengers at the transportation hubs. Now if you all think that a cap that will place undue burdens on interstate commerce will pass the Federal Courts, go for it!

    I think its time to compile all the bull shit & place it in a formal complaint to the USDOJ charging the NLA, TLPA & various Fl Limo Associations with antitrust, monopolization & Sherman Act violation conspiracies. Can we say RICO?
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    To enter Tampa & Load Passengers at the Tampa International Airport a motor carrier must:

    a. Conform his/her fleet to the specifications set forth by the Hillsborough County Public Transportation Commission. This conformance is "luxury" vehicles and therefore citizens of whom many are senior citizens with limited income & physical impairments residing in counties and needing travel of 50 to 100 miles must pay the cost of this luxury transportation v. more affordable alternatives.

    b. Seek authority from the HCPTC through an application process to receive a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity whereas the Hillsborough Commission decides the transportation needs for residents of other counties.

    c. Obtain HCPTC permits for each vehicle

    And now, starting soon;

    d. Obtain permitting from Tampa International
    Ripping Off Travelers

    Consumers will be forced not only to pay for luxury transportation on their interstate journeys but also bear the additional costs of additional permitting fees.

    I have sent a message off to noted Attorney Luke Lirot asking that he represent FITA & the consumers in a class action suit against this unlawful pending extortion.

    All affected motor carriers interested in joining in on this action should contact me through the FITA website.
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    "It's getting to be so many, we figure regulation is fair and equitable since they use our facility and are not paying any fee,"

    Note "our" facility. Typical of a government commie liberal. He does not acknowledge every citizen owns the airport.

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    Originally posted by Wade Randolph:
    "It's getting to be so many, we figure regulation is fair and equitable since they use our facility and are not paying any fee,"

    Note "our" facility. Typical of a government commie liberal. He does not acknowledge every citizen owns the airport.
    Yeah, and no mention that to enter the airport & load one must have under penalty of law a HCPTC license & permit. As the WFLA leadership is too stupid to read the laws & challenge the application now on Shuttles & small buses, I'll provide it:

    Chapter 2001-299 Laws Of Florida
    Section 2 ( 1 )
    The Hillsborough County Public Transportation Commission is created. Its purpose is to regulate the operation of public vehicles upon the public highways of Hillsborough County and its municipalities. The commission has exclusive jurisdiction in the exercise of the authority provided by this act, and no other public entity within the county may require a person to "pay a fee" for the privileges granted by this act.
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    So what is the latest in the lawsuit?

    Next date of interest for an update?
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