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    Default Non-Profit Looking for HCPTC Certificate Holders To File Lawsuit

    I was contacted by a nonprofit who is looking to expand into Florida its' challenges of unconstitutional regulations which set minimum rates limousines must charge the consumer.

    Any Tampa Operator feeling that the minimums they must charge negatively impacts their ability to effectively compete should PM me so I can gather the info for the Lawyers with note that there is no charge for the legal action.
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    minimum rates are actually good for the operators that assures the operator he gets a fair amount for the job, there is a huge problem in Broward County -Fort Lauderdale where the rates are not regulated so people charge $45 for a 15 mile run which in Miami is minimum $70 because Miami has regulated rates, When rates are regulated everyone makes money when they are not regulated everyone just pays the bills if there is work

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    this non profit org. should concentrate on licensing, because thats the biggest problem out here both Miami and Broward counties are not issuing any sedan permits,people are forced to buy them for $24k or lease for $400 per month thats the biggest problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by transporter View Post
    minimum rates are actually good for the operators that assures the operator he gets a fair amount for the job, there is a huge problem in Broward County -Fort Lauderdale where the rates are not regulated so people charge $45 for a 15 mile run which in Miami is minimum $70 because Miami has regulated rates, When rates are regulated everyone makes money when they are not regulated everyone just pays the bills if there is work
    Do you approve of government setting minimum pricing you must pay for food, rent, clothing , theater tickets, and all other goods you desire to purchase? Afterall, minimum pricing for a burger will help that McDonald's Franchisee. You must be a Barry fan.

    BTW, Funny how real city operators (like NYC) manage without the Nanny State setting minimum rates.
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    Default Tampa & Miami Limousine Customers

    Within the US there are only a small handful of cities who sets the "minimum" pricing that citizens must pay for limousine/blackcar transportation services. Tampa and Miami are 2 of these cities. Minimum pricing is supported by entrenched limousine operations as well as the taxicab industry as the pricing effectively provides an economic protection zone around the interstate transportation hubs (airports, cruise ports, train stations etc.). This minimum pricing has a resulting impact of the consumer paying high prices for short distance transportation.

    A nationally established legal activism group is looking into filing a lawsuit against both Miami & Tampa vehicle for hire regulatory bodies challenging the constitutionality of forcing minimum pricing upon the interstate traveling consumer. If you are a consumer forced to pay high pricing for short trips from the airport to your home or other destinations, contact me through the following address with your contact information so that I may pass it on the the group's attorney: president.fita@gmail.com
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    you are comparing apples and oranges, food vs. service. it's like comparing 'outback steak house" vs. "Morton's" or "Smith & Wollensky" limo service should have regulated rates because it's a service for the upper middle class and wealthy consumer not for general public because the general public cannot afford the rates which must be high because the service is exclusive luxury, for folks that cannot afford it there is always taxi,super shuttle etc. thats why it's called "luxury transportation service" because its expensive and exclusive, the government and the insurance companies do not give us any discounts or lower their taxes,permit fees,licensing fees etc. it cost me to operate 1 SUV $30.000 annually that's without chauffeur's pay, so with such high overhead we have to charge top dollar just to stay in business, that's why we need rates regulated

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    consumers are not forced into paying anything, they always have plenty of choices at the Airports, Super Shutle,taxi cab,shuttle service,friends,neighbours,familly,share a ride @ FLL Airport,rent-a car @ Airport,Hotel shuttle, etc no one is forcing the consumer to pay high limo price,people who regularly use limo service know the rates because they can afford it, the ones who cannot afford it but still want the luxury service will complain about the rate, I will be more than happy to have more affordable rates and service the general public, but unfortunately cannot afford to because of the high operational cost, I have been owner operator almost 6 years now and never have I posted a profit, I am just getting by and trying to pay my bills, that is because I provide service for certain clientele only because again the cost of running this business is high therefore my rates have to be high, I hope I have answered some questions you all had!

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    Jewelry stores do not have their prices regulated and they are sellers of luxury goods. Your argument seems weak to me. Maybe your need to alter your marketing effortsto something with a higher ROI...if you are doing any marketing in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLVD Limo View Post
    Jewelry stores do not have their prices regulated and they are sellers of luxury goods. Your argument seems weak to me. Maybe your need to alter your marketing effortsto something with a higher ROI...if you are doing any marketing in the first place.
    I agree. You can command higher prices by providing better service and marketing your company so you are well known. If you need to rely on minimums to charge that much you are not doing something right with your business.

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    First step I would take is a new website, done professionally, and with better pictures of you with your suit coat ON. Also, do you have any sort of reservations software? Having an online portal where a potential client can book a real reservation and not just sent an inquiry would be the best option.
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    Yes Transporter, we are aware that despite the economic prection laws in place to support your business, you are having a tough time making it.

    You didn't answer the fundamental question of if government should establish socialistic regulations which sets the "minimum prices" consumers must pay for products & services.
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    Gunny, I admire your stamina and strength to continue your fight in this arena. From my perspective, having minimum rates eliminates a competitive edge for some companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLVD Limo View Post
    Gunny, I admire your stamina and strength to continue your fight in this arena. From my perspective, having minimum rates eliminates a competitive edge for some companies.
    Actually I'm on a temporary hiatus taking care of me for awhile. I was approached by a lawyer looking to initiate an attack to go along with the ones being fought in other cities.

    Minimum pricing is plain ass bullshit. That a limo operator can be fined or jailed for offering reduced pricing specials for frequent users or a wedding couple's AP transfer after dropping a couple of grand for wedding limos is not what our Nation was built on.

    In addition, minimum pricing regulations, along with market entry restrictions, offers absolutely no incentives to provide competitive, quality services. Why I say many of these clowns in Miami, Tampa, Houston etc.. wouldn't survive 6 months in a NYC or LA arena.

    Of course none who enjoy this protection would swallow themselves being told what government regulated minimums they must pay for services they use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunny View Post
    Actually I'm on a temporary hiatus taking care of me for awhile. I was approached by a lawyer looking to initiate an attack to go along with the ones being fought in other cities.

    Minimum pricing is plain ass bullshit. That a limo operator can be fined or jailed for offering reduced pricing specials for frequent users or a wedding couple's AP transfer after dropping a couple of grand for wedding limos is not what our Nation was built on.

    In addition, minimum pricing regulations, along with market entry restrictions, offers absolutely no incentives to provide competitive, quality services. Why I say many of these clowns in Miami, Tampa, Houston etc.. wouldn't survive 6 months in a NYC or LA arena.

    Of course none who enjoy this protection would swallow themselves being told what government regulated minimums they must pay for services they use.
    Imagine what would happen is this were the case with plumbers, electricians, mechanics and other service oriented industries? The public would be outraged but for some reason, it seems to be acceptable for the chauffeured transportation industry because "it is a luxury." Well, running water at my house is a luxury. AC in my car is a luxury. Having electricity at my house is a luxury. We just seem to take certain things for granted anymore.
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    an online advertising company posted an ad for me with my permission a couple of years ago which said"airport transportation starting at $50 we service Miami and Fort Lauderdale Airports" I never got a call but got a $1000 citation from the Miami Dade consumer affairs Passenger regulation division, for alegedly charging less than $70 for a one way transfer, I had to go to a hearing and prove that was a mistake made by the advertising company and thanks God didnt havr to pay the fine, so from than on I am charging top dollar and if consumer things I am too expensive they always have a choice to hire an alternative transportation. If I didnt have to pay annualy: $625 to the County for having privilege of doing business, $350 to the Port of Miami, $100 for each Airport. $3700 for insurance $2000 for wear 7 tear,$10K for car payment, uncle Sam $2000 plus my salary. our rates would probably be lower

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