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    CNG is really not that "green". You still have to drill, the cars don't get as good mpg and the engine parts wear out faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunny View Post
    And Kevin White says all want to ride to TIA in stretch limos so what's your beef with him? Oh, that's right, the Nanny State is only spot on if it fits your narrow minded perception of what guvmint should be able to regulate. How about the Nanny's stick to safety & allow the market to dictate what vehicles private motor carriers employ?
    More you don't know what to say about something, more personally you get?
    Go back to the topic: SFO Airport "CNG Required" Proposal is gonna hurt us all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wade Randolph View Post
    CNG is really not that "green". You still have to drill, the cars don't get as good mpg and the engine parts wear out faster.
    True, but it is a step in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBLIMO View Post
    More you don't know what to say about something, more personally you get?
    Go back to the topic: SFO Airport "CNG Required" Proposal is gonna hurt us all.
    You got a reading comprehension problem ?

    "How about the Nanny's stick to safety & allow the market to dictate what vehicles private motor carriers employ?" Is on topic.

    "Again, if it is something the "Private Business, No Government Subsidized" Industry opposes they should simply tell the AP "fark you" we are not doing it & pull ground transport from the AP." Is on topic

    "What do the people of the the SF area want? Are you really going to lobby against the people of California?" Might be on topic if you can back it (where's a link proving the insinuation that the People want SF AP transport services to be running CNG?).

    The Violin was not on topic, if it was directed to you & the Prius yes, but not to this thread
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    Default Too Late Moshe, Super Shuttle Beat You To It

    Under the terms of the new five-year fuel agreement, SuperShuttle vans will fuel up at existing and future public access Clean Energy CNG stations strategically located at airports including Dallas/Fort Worth, Denver, New York City, Phoenix and, in California, Los Angeles, Burbank, Ontario, Orange County, San Francisco and San Diego. As part of the initial deployment, SuperShuttle ordered 40 new CNG vans for San Francisco International Airport through BAF, Clean Energy's subsidiary. The new fleet will fuel at Clean Energy's SFO station and its growing Bay Area network.

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cle...k=MW_news_stmp

    And here's a negative:
    "The conversion of one gasoline Lincoln Town Car to CNG fuel capability costs about $15,000. Shanedling pointed out that his two CNG Town Cars need to be refueled every 150 miles at limited locations since the chauffeurs do not want to risk driving the vehicles up to the 300-mile maximum fuel range without being within a short proximity to a fueling station."
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    I don't even think we have CNG stations in Ohio.
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    I still don't feel safe with driving a cng towncar. Something easier for terrorists to use to attack us. A rolling bomb. Great.
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    We are close to 2 hours away from SFO airport and this will affect us. We are not going to purchase CNG vehicles or retrofit our existing vehicles for CNG. Presently there are no CNG fueling stations in our city, but one 35 miles north of us. We don't do a lot of airport transfers, therefore will stop offering this service to our clients when this takes place. Airport transfers aren't big money makers for us, more of an accomodation for our clients, but it will be hard to say NO and I trust the other airports will follow with their own program. The biggest bummer to us in this is SFO airport gets to keep our $1500 deposit until we go out of business. They keep deposits until the limo company goes out of biz, not when they discontinue doing business with SFO. We aren't planning on going out of biz just because we're not servicing SFO any longer, but would like to get our deposit back.....do ya think they'll refund? :>) haha

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    Wow Kathy! You really do have a vested interest. I am glad my office contacted you to inform you about it. You have got to fight this thing. Not having a CNG facility in your town is even more ammunition that they need to know about. It is impractical to believe that you should have to drive 45 miles away to get fuel to provide a wedding in your own community just to make SFO happy.

    Oh, wait! I know it is not about "making them happy" but about having the right to do business on their property.
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    Default Narrow Minded Metro Regulators

    Always fail to recognize the negative impact of their regulations upon motor carriers servicing smaller communities and the citizens most in need of nonpublic forms of transportation due to govmint failing to provide adequate mass transit options.

    If most small operators take Kathy's position what will be the outcome? A few holding a monopoly & holding travelers price & service hostage? A new breeding ground for "under the radar" car services?

    I stated a long time ago that guvmint regulations is fertilizer for gypsy operations.
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    Good luck. That really bites.
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    Kathy you can forget about your deposit. Anybody that thinks the government will have any money left in a few years is smoking something.

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    Why does this link from the GLCA say SFO "recommends" CNG vehicles instead of "requires" as this thread implies? I have read elsewhere that the Clean Vehicle policy mandates 100% compliance by 2012 so this recent GLCA post seems odd. On the bright side it looks like there was some grant and loan assistance available out there. Must be how Super Shuttle did it. Still, does not make sense for operators that are out of town coming to SFO occasionally, or for in town vehicles that only occassionally serve the airport.

    http://www.gcla.org/san-francisco-ba...minibuses.html

    Clean Air Vehicle Funding Assistance (Autos, Vans_and Minibuses)


    Wednesday, 24 March 2010 15:14
    To: Charter and Limousine Operators
    Subject: Clean Air Vehicle Funding Assistance (Autos, Vans_and Minibuses)

    Pursuant to the Clean Vehicle Policy adopted by the Airport Commission in 2000, SFO recommends that permitted Airport operators replace
    conventional fuel vehicles with very low emission vehicles powered by CNG or electricity.
    Both CNG and hybrid-electric vehicles have much lower fuel costs than gasoline or diesel vehicles, along with positive marketing value. CNG
    vehicles enjoy unlimited access to high-occupancy vehicle lanes and ramps even without passengers. There are 25 CNG refueling stations in the Bay
    Area , including two at the Airport.
    The Bay Area Air Quality Management District assists transportation operators in funding new alternative fuel vehicles. This year, the District is
    encouraging operators to apply directly to them for grant funding.
    To provide operators with first-hand information and grant applications, Air District personnel will be available at SFO on Tuesday, December 1
    between 10:00 a.m. and noon. Also at the workshop will be manufacturers of CNG autos, vans, and minibuses, and SFO's CNG fw:~ling
    station operators. The workshop will be at Terminal 1, Conference Room A. To get there, go to the elevator behind the far left end of the Delta
    Airlines ticket counter. Take the elevator to the third floor and follow signs to the Conference Rooms.
    Air District grant applications will be due on Monday, December 14. To preview the guidelines and application forms before the December 1
    workshop, please go to http://www.baaqmd.gov/tfcaregional. To apply, operators must have followed through on any past letters of intent to use
    Airport-sponsored grant funding, must fully insure funded vehicles, and must commit to operating them full-time for a standard lifecycle.
    Operators may also qualify for a substantial Federal tax credit. Manufacturer representatives will provide details at the workshop. For more information about the workshop, please contact Roger Hooson of the Airport at (650) 821 ":6511. For advance questions about Air District grant funding, you may contact the Air District's Michael Neward at (415) 749-4703.
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    Well I was going to post this:

    What they should do if CNG compilance is their goal is create a steep per trip fee for taxis, shuttles, limos, etc. Vehicles which are CNG compliant get the fee waived.
    Helps push businesses toward their stated environmental goal without completly shutting down the occasional operator who can then pass on the higher trip fee to his customer instead of having to buy a whole new car
    but I see they already thought of that back in 2001, according to the fourth paragraph of this document.
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    Interesting article from 2007 when non-CNG taxicabs revolted and stopped serving SFO because they were pissed about the Front of Line privileges given to CNG cabs, causing disruption to the public who needed cabs.

    To restore cab service and harmony the City then took away the CNG cabs FOL privilege, resulting in a lawsuit from the cabbies who had bought CNG cabs.

    http://www.law.com/jsp/PubArticle.jsp?id=900005498858
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