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Michele- Vendor Relations
March 22nd, 2005, 09:40 AM
A Limos.com member wrote to me and asked what sort of compensation her should ask for. His letter is below. Any suggestions?

To Whom It May Concern:

My partner and I came to Blank on February 10, 2005. We were flown in by the best salesmen I have ever met. I am speaking of Blank Blank, who put us up in a hotel for that night, picked us up the following morning, and brought us to your Plant.

Upon our arrival we were introduce to employees and were treated to a tour of the facilities. Our purpose for the trip was to finalize our deal, and do all the paperwork, by bringing in a check for roughly $67,000, take a look at how your company puts together these amazing vehicles, and to get to know Blank. We met Blank at the Limo Show in New Jersey back in November 2004, and were impressed with his presentation and knowledge of the vehicles.

After we returned home from the Limo Show we went to work on evaluating the different companies we had come in contact with. We narrowed the field to three companies (Blank, Blank, and Blank). My only experience buying a limo had come a few years earlier when I purchased a “100 Grand” from Blank Coach Builders. After asking a couple of questions I ruled Blank out. So, that left Blank and Blank. The final question posed to the salesmen was “why should I buy a limo from you as opposed to this other coach builder”? I asked that question to the salesman from Blank first, as he was my salesman the first time I purchased a limo. His answers while shocking, stuck with me. He said “the difference is the quality and that a limo from that other company would start to fall apart in a couple of year. That stuck with me, because the limo that I purchased from them earlier is still in great shape, and has never given me a problem. I still have it today. Then I asked blank the same question, he said “I don't make my living by badmouthing the competition. We both build a good solid vehicle, both have been around for a long time, but that Blank could give us a better price, and we are here for our customers after they buy from us”. That really stuck with me, because I hadn't had any contact with that salesman from Blank since I bought my last limo from him, not even a hello. So we decided to go with Blank.

So while on our trip to Blank we had Blank (great gal) arrange to have our new $70,000.00 limo shipped to us. We didn't want to drive it to Virginia, to avoid putting over 1000 miles on it. So we agreed on a price of $1000 for the shipping of the vehicle on February 28, 2005. So on March 01, 2005 I get a call from Blank saying that the transport truck had broken down, and that now we wouldn't be able to have it delivered on a transport truck for a least a week.

Well, that was not acceptable, considering we had work scheduled for March 4, 2005. So Blank arranged for one of their employees to drive it to us, and the limo arrived on March 2, 2005, however it still cost us $1000 and we still put over 1000 miles on the vehicle. We were also told all the paperwork would be in the limo when it arrived. The driver had us sign paperwork, which he took it back with him. It’s now two weeks to the day we received the limo and still no paperwork. We need to register the vehicle in the state of Virginia. Save the paperwork for the new car.

Then, on March 4, 2005 our first customer in this new $70,000 limo tells us that water leaking in the vehicle on her head. The driver checks out the complaint and notices the limo has a couple of leaks in the passenger compartment. Now after bragging to this customer, telling them that they will love our new limo, that they would be the first clients in the new vehicle, water is leaking in on their heads. Well you can just about imagine the embarrassment we felt. What do you say to the client when they say to you, “I thought you said this vehicle was new”? Words can't explain what I felt when I heard that.

To make a long story a little shorter, I have tried to have the leaks repaired without success. I have my 2ND appointment scheduled today to try and have the leaks stopped. If this vehicle leaks again, I'm going to drive it back their personally and expect to have a new limo waiting for me when I get there. There is no way a new limo should ever leave your plant with a leak. This really looks bad considering I secured the deposit in December 2004. The company had from January – March to get this right. I am appall.

Well, I took the vehicle in for the 2ND appointment, dropped it off. They sealed the vehicle again on both sides by the emergency windows. They let it sit over night to give it time to dry, and wet it down this morning. They showed me where it’s leaking still in both places. They said they have done all they can do, besides take the vehicle apart.

We are finished with this headache. We no longer want this vehicle. It’s our busy season, water is leaking on peoples heads, and we don't feel comfortable with this vehicle. The joy that we felt coming to the plant and shaking hands with Blank has been replaced by feelings of disgust, and this has us questioning our decision to choose Blank in the first place. We need a new limo that we can proudly put our customer in. We want a vehicle that is problem free, a vehicle we feel secure riding our valuable clients around in. Either we can drive it back there or you can have someone come pick it up. Either way we want a new 140 Excursion, just like this faulty one we are turning back into you.

Respectfully,

Michael-Admin
March 22nd, 2005, 09:47 AM
I'm not sure if Lemon Laws apply to these types of vehicles however if it was a standard vehicle, you could complain on that basis.

Are commercial vehicles exempt from "Lemon Laws?"

Anyone?

Alimo
March 22nd, 2005, 09:58 AM
Yep, a new vehicle is a new vehicle no matter if its a Limo or a sedan, the only difference here is that its commercial which means that you have five years instead of three in which to complain or sue, I wonder if its the same "blank" I went to in Florida, whom I later found to be complete "blankers".

Alimo
March 22nd, 2005, 10:02 AM
One quick thought that I forgot to mention, by law you must send them a written "rejection" of the vehicle, under normal circumstances as soon as you take delivery but I guess that a later problem that shows itself over a period of time gives you just as much reason to "reject" as well. I wish you the best of luck.

TxLimoGuy
March 22nd, 2005, 02:09 PM
Unfortunately Lemon Laws were designed to protect consumers not businesses. Most lemon laws only apply if the vehicle is primarily for 'personal or household use'. Businesses get to go to court. Here is a general link to most state's lemon laws: Lemon Laws By State (http://dealerselect.com/lemon/lemonbystate.html)

If the story is true as written then I am flabbergasted. If those blankity-blanks can't fix the problem then I think they just bought themselves back a limo. The customer should be able to get it 1) repaired to new 2) a new vehicle or 3) their money back.
If the manufacturer fails to deliver on any of the above and I would do the following:
1) Demand to speak with the CEO of the company to discuss your plans to do the following:
A) File a civil suit
B) Write about your experience to Limo Digest, LCT and the Limo Forum
C) File letters of complaint with the Attorney General, the BBB and whoever regulates auto manufacturers in that state

I would also suggest getting an estimate or two from a auto body shop to see what they would suggest.

cjaxxn
March 23rd, 2005, 12:30 AM
Well, here is the update.
After receiving my letter via email, I received a conference call from my salesman, warranty manager, and the C O O of the Company. They said they feel bad about what's happening to me and they want to fix this problem. So the warranty person says she will get busy searching for someone in my area that can fix this problem. She calls me back about five hours later and says she cant find anyone in my area. Ok now it's my responsibility to find someone that can fix this leak. So after searching for a couple of hours, I find a guy that says he can fix this. So I called the warranty manager and told her the good news. So now this coach builder is suppose to overnight these new windows on March 21, so that this problem can be fixed as quickly as possible. So on March 22nd, I call the coach builder back to see if they shipped the windows out on March 21st as they said they would. I get her on the phone, and she says let her go check to see that they were shipped. She comes back in about five minutes and says "your not going to believe this, but there was a mistake made and that the windows have not going out yet". Never mind I've canceled three jobs because of this mess, never mind I have worked scheduled for the March 26th with this vehicle. You would think this matter would be high on their priority list.
So, this is where the issue stands at this time. The windows are supposed to arrive today, and hopefully I can have them installed in time to perform a six hour bachelor party on March 26, 2005. If the vehicle leaks after this attempt to fix it, I am going to take it back and demand a new limo. This mess has already cost me roughly $2000 in bookings already.
I will keep everyone updated.

Cjaxxn

Wade Randolph
March 23rd, 2005, 01:22 AM
Why are you telling us this without naming the coachbuilder? We have all had problems and stated the name of the coachbuilder.

cjaxxn
March 23rd, 2005, 02:00 AM
I'm not tying to bad mouth the coach builder, I just wanted to see what fellow members thought was a fare compensation for what I'm going thru. I would like to have the vehicle fixed. The vehicle is new, and I shouldn't have to go thru this kind of problem with a brand new vehicle. If I am not satisfied with the result , then I will name the builder and never buy another vehicle from them ever again.

TxLimoGuy
March 23rd, 2005, 03:58 AM
I'd like to know who it is whether you return the vehicle or not. This is terrible customer service.

I had an experience with a bad AC system design on a vehicle last year and the manufacturer trucked it back to their factory, upgraded to a larger AC system and then trucked it back to me (20 hour drive each way) all at their own expense. While it was there in their factory they repaired some fiberglass runningboard damage that had recently happened to the vehicle (my estimate was about $1000+ to get that fixed) and they did that for free without even telling me they were going to do it! THAT is a good example of a company taking ownership of a problem.

Marcus
March 23rd, 2005, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by TxLimoGuy:
THAT is a good example of a company taking ownership of a problem.

Was the company Blank, Blank, or Blank?

Limos4You
March 23rd, 2005, 11:48 PM
If all else fails, let them know that you will have a big sign made that says "This Limo built by Blank leaks and Blank will not stand behind what they sell". And tell them you will drive this to all the limo conventions you can find. Also, let them know that you will tell your story to all the local associations.

cjaxxn
March 24th, 2005, 01:08 AM
After I finally found a body shop that would take on this vehicle, I get a call from the body shop saying this new 140 Excursion is leaking from the headliner. Sop I call the coach builder and tell that to me guy there. He says he has never heard of that before. Well keep in mind my guy is my salesman. So he called the body shop and spoke with my guy there telling him to look in certain spots. That is supposed to happen this morning sometime.
Like I told the coach builder yesterday, I have already lost roughly $2000 in booking I have had to cancel or give away, because when it rains I cant drive this limo. Rain has already fallen on the heads of one of my clients, and I'm not going thru that anymore. The limo is fine if it's not raining. I asked my salesman if he had ever heard of April showers bring May flowers. It's practically raining almost every other day. I told him it's time to talk about bring us a new limo just like the faulty one they sold us. Let's face, we wanted the new vehicle here for the best season of the year.
My calendar is booking up quick I need this limo fixed now or replaced.

Cjaxxn

Wade Randolph
March 24th, 2005, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by cjaxxn:
After I finally found a body shop that would take on this vehicle, I get a call from the body shop saying this new 140 Excursion is leaking from the headliner. Sop I call the coach builder and tell that to me guy there. He says he has never heard of that before. Well keep in mind my guy is my salesman. So he called the body shop and spoke with my guy there telling him to look in certain spots. That is supposed to happen this morning sometime.
Like I told the coach builder yesterday, I have already lost roughly $2000 in booking I have had to cancel or give away, because when it rains I cant drive this limo. Rain has already fallen on the heads of one of my clients, and I'm not going thru that anymore. The limo is fine if it's not raining. I asked my salesman if he had ever heard of April showers bring May flowers. It's practically raining almost every other day. I told him it's time to talk about bring us a new limo just like the faulty one they sold us. Let's face, we wanted the new vehicle here for the best season of the year.
My calendar is booking up quick I need this limo fixed now or replaced.

Cjaxxn

If this car is leaking from the headliner the cause is likey the area around the escape hatch. If the screws and area around the escape hatch is not sealed properly the water will seep into this area and eventually run throgh the top of the car and then down the sides towards the windows. Most people logically think it's the windows that are leaking but this is not the case. I know because we have had the same problem.

sunshinelimos
June 9th, 2005, 08:56 AM
HI MY EXCURSION ROOF WAS LEAKING INSIDE THE CAR THE PROBLEM YURNED OUT TO BE IF YOU GOT A VINAL ROOF WATER WAS GETTING INTO THE SEAM DOWN THE MIDDLE OF COACH TOOK SOME SILICONE AND CLEAR TAPE AND FIXED THAT PROBLEM TRY THIS