NLA Election Forum [Archive] - The Limousine Discussion Forum

November 19th, 2000, 05:56 AM

This forum is being opened as a platform for candidates for election to the board of directors of the NLA to provide statements of their platform and to discuss their experience in and views of the limousine industry and the role of NLA. Following are the candidates that, at least as of this moment, are listed as having applied for nomination for election to the NLA board. All participants in limos.com forums should use the e-mail address or fax numbers below to invite these candidates to state their positions. The little blurb that NLA gives its members when it mails the ballots is too superficial and has too much spin to make important decisions. Last year there were six candidates for five vacancies so there was no choice and look what we got, Darryl Norman. This time it appears we have 13 candidates for 5 vacancies, and 14 once we get Joe Cirruzzo on the ballot. Here is the list:

Gary Bauer, AA Bauer's Limousine & Transportation Service, San Francisco, NO E-MAIL ADDRESS, Fax 415.522.1600. Bauer's company has no web site and he has no e-mail. He should be invited to appear here, but I wonder if we seriously want another Luddite on the board of directors who probably still uses post-it notes stuck on metal filing cabinets to take reservations. Let's look at this guy carefully. The same is true for Corey Rozen listed later.

Chuck Bradway, Bradway's Limousine Service, Inc., Springfield, MA, info@bradwayslimo.com, fax 413,789,4301. Bradway's company has a web site.

Gary Buffo, Pure Luxury Limousine Sevice, San Francisco, relax@pureluxury.com, fax 415.777.4242. Buffo's company has a web site.

Jon Goldberg, Carey International, Inc., Washington, D.C. Goldberg has no listing in the current NLA Membership Directory because his company didn't pay dues for the last 9 or 10 years. We'll find out his e-mail address from someone like John Sinibaldi and get him in-forum.

Jeff Greene, Greene Classic Limousine, Atlanta, GA, gclimo@bellsouth.net, fax 404.875.0076. Greene's company has a web site.

Alton Hagen, Agenda:Kansas City, sales@agenda-kansascity.com, fax 913.268.4477. Hagen's company has a web site. Hagen's name is spelled with an "e" in the NLA Directory but with an "a" on the fax circulated by NLA - not surprising given the NLA staff competency.

Deano Herrera, DLS Transportation, Inc., Salt Lake City, dslrocks@juno.com, fax 801.352.7992, fax 801.352.7992. Herrera's company has no web site.

Mike Keller, Pegasus Limousine (no relationship to yours truly, but a good name nonetheless), St. Clair Shores, MI, limo234@aol.com, fax 810.773.5092. Keller's company has no web site.

Don Kensey, Au Premiere Limosuine Service, Inc., Williamstown, NJ, sales@aupremiere.com, 856.262.1612. Kensey's company has a web site.

Tim Rose, Flyte Tyme Limousine, Upper Saddle River, NJ, trose@flytetimelimo.com, fax 201.236.0080. Rose's company has a web site.

Cory Rozen, Uptown Limousine Service, Binghampton, NY, NO E-MAIL ADDRESS, fax 607.231.2174. Rozen's is an incumbent NLA director seeking re-election. His company has no web site. Rozen is an incumbent director seeking re-election. He is a true Luddite when it comes to technology and has no interest in the internet, e-mail or anything that has to do with a computer.

Scott Solombrino, Dav El Chauffeured Transportation, San Francisco, NO E-MAIL ADDRESS, fax 617.884.2707. Solombrino's company has a web site and he has an apparently unpublished e-mail address which we'll get and post here.

Ron Sorci, Precept Transportation Services of Texas, precept-trans@msn.com, fax 972.437.5585. Sorci's company lists a non-functional web site. Sorci is an incumbent director who was appointed to fill the unexpired term of Dean Schuler and who is seeking election.

Each candidate will be invited by e-mail and/or fax to appear in this forum topic, state their platform for NLA, their views about the industry, and to interact with NLA members. All forum participants are encouraged to ask questions of these candidates so that we have a true basis of selecting among hese candidates.

Michael, it would be appreciated in your e-mailings if you alerted the industry to this forum topic.

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November 19th, 2000, 06:31 AM

The following message was e-mailed to candidates with a listed e-mail address:

The NLA has notified its membership that you have applied to be a candidate for election to the NLA board of directors. In connection with your candidacy, you are invited to visit the industry forum at http://www.limos.com under the topic NLA Election Forum and provide personal and business information, your views on the limousine industry, your views of the role of NLA in our industry and how you expect to contribute to NLA and the industry through your candidacy. You may be asked questions in the forum topic to which you are also invited to respond. Some of us in the forum have been highly critical of most of the current NLA directors and the staff of NLA, and if you have not visited the forum you should acquaint yourself with the discussions that have been going on there for the past several months as you will likely be asked about your position on various matter.

We are looking forward to your participation.

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November 19th, 2000, 06:46 AM

Oh, boy, here we go!!! Of the 9 candidates for directorships that the e-mail message was sent to using the e-mail address listed for them in the NLA Directory for 2000, here were the e-mail results:

Jeff Green's gclimo address reported gclimo to be an unknown user and the e-mail failed due to a permanent error.

Alton Hagen's e-mail failed.

Deano Herrera's e-mail came back that he is an unknown user on Juno.

Tim Rose's e-mail came back undeliverable.

Although I'm willing to listen to what these guy's have to say, my personal approach is that in this Millenium if a candidate for election to an NLA directorship doesn't have an e-mail address - bye-bye! - they shouldn't be considered for a directorship. Let's see how they explain their lack of modern communications when they get the fax that invites them here, if they can figure out how to get on-line.

And these are people the Nominating Committee is reporting out to the board of directors as qualified candidates.

November 19th, 2000, 07:35 AM

OK, boys and girls, here's where we are. A fax has been sent, containing substantially the same e-mail invitation that is reported above, to each of the candidates for election to the NLA board. Those who have working e-mail addresses also received an e-mail invitation.
Speaking only for myself, here's what I'm looking for - first, whether the candidate appears in these forums at all (no appearance, no vote); second, when they respond (the later, the worse); third, how much information they provide about themselves; fourth, what position they take on issues that have been rocking around limos.com for a few months now; fifth, what they're substantive agenda is, i.e., what contribution they think they can make; sixth, how the Luddites explain their anti-technology status; and, seventh, whether they stick around and keep in touch with the forum to interact with the participants here.

This topic is also for the purpose of comments by anyone who knows, works with or competes with these candidates to enlighten us as to their qualifications.

Please invite any other NLA members that you know to visit this topic and meet the candidates.

November 19th, 2000, 08:32 AM

A total thumbs up for at least one of the candidates if not two. Don Kensey of Au Premiere Limousines is a very qualified leader. He was the president of the SJLA (South Jersey Limousine Association) and helped to make it one of the most recognized associations in the country. But here's a major reasons he gets my endorsement. He operates his business hands on, and we're not talking 50 cars, under 10. He understand the little issues that frustrate owners as well as your drivers, which deals with customers and airport daily. I feel he brings to the table a knowledgable past as well as a inviting future. He also isn't afraid to admit that he doesn't know everything. I hink he would make a fine addition to the NLA. I also was able to meet Tim Rose at a past SJLA meeting. My first impression was that he has his act together. He the boss of a larger 50+ company and know what it takes to be successful. His experience with growing a company, I think, is an asset and he seems to address problems and concerns quickly. I think these two gentleman have alot to offer the NLA.
Anthony

November 19th, 2000, 09:05 AM

Jim we sure appreciate you setting this up. It has just the questions I faxed in my letter to the NLA.
The only difference was I wanted to know from that committee was what formula they used to qualify these people, no disrespect to any of them.

But yes let this group campaign, lets learn who they are.

Their ballot will have no value to me unless I see the names Solombrimo, Kinsey, Sorci, Seelinger and yes Cirruzzo.

November 19th, 2000, 01:48 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jhj:
This forum is being opened as a platform for candidates for election to the board of directors of the NLA to provide statements of their platform and to discuss their experience in and views of the limousine industry and the role of NLA. Following are the candidates that, at least as of this moment, are listed as having applied for nomination for election to the NLA board. All participants in limos.com forums should use the e-mail address or fax numbers below to invite these candidates to state their positions. The little blurb that NLA gives its members when it mails the ballots is too superficial and has too much spin to make important decisions. Last year there were six candidates for five vacancies so there was no choice and look what we got, Darryl Norman. This time it appears we have 13 candidates for 5 vacancies, and 14 once we get Joe Cirruzzo on the ballot. Here is the list:

Gary Bauer, AA Bauer's Limousine & Transportation Service, San Francisco, NO E-MAIL ADDRESS, Fax 415.522.1600. Bauer's company has no web site and he has no e-mail. He should be invited to appear here, but I wonder if we seriously want another Luddite on the board of directors who probably still uses post-it notes stuck on metal filing cabinets to take reservations. Let's look at this guy carefully. The same is true for Corey Rozen listed later.

Chuck Bradway, Bradway's Limousine Service, Inc., Springfield, MA, info@bradwayslimo.com, fax 413,789,4301. Bradway's company has a web site.

Gary Buffo, Pure Luxury Limousine Sevice, San Francisco, relax@pureluxury.com, fax 415.777.4242. Buffo's company has a web site.

Jon Goldberg, Carey International, Inc., Washington, D.C. Goldberg has no listing in the current NLA Membership Directory because his company didn't pay dues for the last 9 or 10 years. We'll find out his e-mail address from someone like John Sinibaldi and get him in-forum.

Jeff Greene, Greene Classic Limousine, Atlanta, GA, gclimo@bellsouth.net, fax 404.875.0076. Greene's company has a web site.

Alton Hagen, Agenda:Kansas City, sales@agenda-kansascity.com, fax 913.268.4477. Hagen's company has a web site. Hagen's name is spelled with an "e" in the NLA Directory but with an "a" on the fax circulated by NLA - not surprising given the NLA staff competency.

Deano Herrera, DLS Transportation, Inc., Salt Lake City, dslrocks@juno.com, fax 801.352.7992, fax 801.352.7992. Herrera's company has no web site.

Mike Keller, Pegasus Limousine (no relationship to yours truly, but a good name nonetheless), St. Clair Shores, MI, limo234@aol.com, fax 810.773.5092. Keller's company has no web site.

Don Kensey, Au Premiere Limosuine Service, Inc., Williamstown, NJ, sales@aupremiere.com, 856.262.1612. Kensey's company has a web site.

Tim Rose, Flyte Tyme Limousine, Upper Saddle River, NJ, trose@flytetimelimo.com, fax 201.236.0080. Rose's company has a web site.

Cory Rozen, Uptown Limousine Service, Binghampton, NY, NO E-MAIL ADDRESS, fax 607.231.2174. Rozen's is an incumbent NLA director seeking re-election. His company has no web site. Rozen is an incumbent director seeking re-election. He is a true Luddite when it comes to technology and has no interest in the internet, e-mail or anything that has to do with a computer.

Scott Solombrino, Dav El Chauffeured Transportation, San Francisco, NO E-MAIL ADDRESS, fax 617.884.2707. Solombrino's company has a web site and he has an apparently unpublished e-mail address which we'll get and post here.

Ron Sorci, Precept Transportation Services of Texas, precept-trans@msn.com, fax 972.437.5585. Sorci's company lists a non-functional web site. Sorci is an incumbent director who was appointed to fill the unexpired term of Dean Schuler and who is seeking election.

Each candidate will be invited by e-mail and/or fax to appear in this forum topic, state their platform for NLA, their views about the industry, and to interact with NLA members. All forum participants are encouraged to ask questions of these candidates so that we have a true basis of selecting among hese candidates.

Michael, it would be appreciated in your e-mailings if you alerted the industry to this forum topic.

[This message has been edited by jhj (edited 11-19-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, whatas going on with this election? Are we in Florida? My husband won't eat his Sunday Pasta because he is so upset over this internet business. Someone paid $110,000 of back dues to get on the NLA, My
newphew says that some guy ran a 900 number and I don't understand, this is legal,
I stay up all night and answer the phone here. Just stirring the sauce today, I thought, just let the members decide who they want. You know as well as I that if you look deep enough you will find something on past and present members. And to hear that someone is going on what is this a roadshow, Thank God my husband doesn't go, because I would break his dasta luda head with my wooden spoon. Who wants to know what is going on with two people. Mother of God, I don't. Just let the election go on and get it over with. Now the sauce burned and the sunday dinner is ruined.

November 19th, 2000, 02:56 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carmela Maria:
[B]
My husband won't eat his Sunday Pasta because he is so upset over this internet business. Someone paid $110,000 of back dues to get on the NLA,

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Your number seems high. It should be in Italian Lira. I can see why your husband is so upset. Maybe it really was the sauce.
John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

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November 19th, 2000, 02:56 PM

Hey Carmella its about time you opened up, but lets keep this forum for strictly elections. Keep the war on the love it or leave it forum.
Big P

November 19th, 2000, 03:01 PM

Michael -
You might want to move the preceding several posts to the NLA -Love It or Leave It topic since they're more appropriate there.

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November 20th, 2000, 06:23 PM

Well, I don't personally know, but two. If you would like my opinion I do like Gary with Pure Luxury who seems the most qualified with this. Who I also have worked with and been dealt with in a professional way. He has been around for a while and I never seem to have anything to say negative about my knowledge of him. As for Gary with Bauers, personally, I am trying to be nice here. LOL
I don't know who these other candidates are, but its got me scared.

November 21st, 2000, 06:18 AM

Thank for joining in 007, this is what we want to hear.
Positives and negatives!
I don't know Gary Buffo personally but his company pays there bills. Step in the right direction.
Second negative on your other one.
Keep talking readers we want to hear more.

November 21st, 2000, 02:32 PM

I'm not sure why I was sent this, but I received this in my email box today. I informed Mr. Rozen to post any replies here.

>>>>>>
Subj: NLA ELECTION FORUM
Date: 11/21/00 3:28:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time
From: Uptownres@aol.com
To: xenefoxinc@aol.com

This e mail is to inform this group that my company "Uptown Motors "
has actuallly 2 e mail addresses and 2 web pages. uptownres@aol.com
uptown@spectra.net. Our web pages are www.uptowntranspotation.com (http://www.uptowntranspotation.com)
and www.lincolnparts.com. (http://www.lincolnparts.com.) For the future if you have any questions about
myself, company or the NLA please feel free to call me at my offfice
1(800)933-8696.

Thank-You,
Cory Rozen

November 21st, 2000, 02:43 PM

I have a suggestion.
Resign

November 21st, 2000, 02:59 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> For the future if you have any questions about myself, company or the NLA please feel free to call me at my offfice
1(800)933-8696.

Thank-You,
Cory Rozen
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmmmmm. Is this saying I don't want e-mail and I don't know how, or don't want, to participate in this forum topic - if you want to talk to me call me on the phone? I guess we'll know before long if he doesn't show up here and provide some information and tell us what contributions he thinks he can make to NLA.
By the way, the prior information that Rozen had no e-mail address is based on the NLA Membership Directory for 2000 which lists neither a website nor an e-mail address. Anybody trying to click through to the Uptown website will note that the click-through doesn't work because the web site is misspelled.

November 22nd, 2000, 01:42 AM

FYI UPTOWN LIMOUSINE HAS TWO WEB SITES LINCOLNPARTS.COM AND UPTOWNTRANSPORTATION.COM WE ALSO HAVE TWO E-MAIL ADDRESSES UPTOWN@SPECTRA.NET AND UPTOWNRES@AOL.COM. I THINK THAT BEFORE INFO. IS POSTED ON THISITE IT SHOULD BE CHECKED OUT BEFORE SOMEONE IS BEING ACCUSED OF SOMETHING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WAS IN THE CURRENT NLA DIRECTORY WHICH HOLDS THE BY-LAWS WHICH EVERYONE IS QUOTEING FROM. I MUCH PREFER IF ANY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME PLEASE CALL ME I WOULD MUCH RATHER TALK TO SOMEONE THAN HIDE BEHIND A COMPUTER 1-800-933-8696 THANK YOU CORY ROZEN

November 22nd, 2000, 02:36 AM

jim your limousine busieness must not be very busy because you spend way to much time on the computer.i feel that a lot of your comments are very valid and they could really help the industry but the way you go about them is inncorrect it is to bad a person with so much to add is going about it in such a rage which just makes all the good that you could do seem like utter drivle of a spoiled kid that didn,t get his way. see you later i have a business to run and an association to help heal. cory rozen

November 22nd, 2000, 03:56 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by UPTOWNLIMOUSINE:
FYI UPTOWN LIMOUSINE HAS TWO WEB SITES LINCOLNPARTS.COM AND UPTOWNTRANSPORTATION.COM WE ALSO HAVE TWO E-MAIL ADDRESSES UPTOWN@SPECTRA.NET AND UPTOWNRES@AOL.COM. I THINK THAT BEFORE INFO. IS POSTED ON THISITE IT SHOULD BE CHECKED OUT BEFORE SOMEONE IS BEING ACCUSED OF SOMETHING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION WAS IN THE CURRENT NLA DIRECTORY WHICH HOLDS THE BY-LAWS WHICH EVERYONE IS QUOTEING FROM. I MUCH PREFER IF ANY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME PLEASE CALL ME I WOULD MUCH RATHER TALK TO SOMEONE THAN HIDE BEHIND A COMPUTER 1-800-933-8696 THANK YOU CORY ROZEN <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I stand corrected in part. When I looked up Uptown Limousine I looked it up on p.219 of the Directory where there is no web site or e-mail listed. It turns out that Rozen is listed in another place, i.e., under directors on p.3 of the Directory, where there IS a website and e-mail listed. I'm sorry for the oversight, but I would have thought that the geniuses at NLA headquarters would have the same information where both listings appear - but, then again, I should have learned by now that there are no glimmers of hope where the staff is concerned.

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November 22nd, 2000, 04:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by UPTOWNLIMOUSINE:
jim your limousine busieness must not be very busy because you spend way to much time on the computer.i feel that a lot of your comments are very valid and they could really help the industry but the way you go about them is inncorrect it is to bad a person with so much to add is going about it in such a rage which just makes all the good that you could do seem like utter drivle of a spoiled kid that didn,t get his way. see you later i have a business to run and an association to help heal. cory rozen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, here we go again, with the NLA directors doing what they do best, disparagement and character assassination. Rozen obviously is computer-challenged. Perhaps if he adopted technology in his business he would have a little time to visit this forum. I think Rozen has made it clear that he doesn't intend to "hide behind a computer" (what a moron - just shows you how far out of touch he is), probably because he doesn't know how to use one. Well, I'll take my first position on this election - ANYBODY but Rozen. We'll try to get some more information on this Luddite before the election. I will share one thing with all of you. After my late September demand on NLA by letter asking for certain books and records, Rozen, who is the NLA Treasurer this year, telephone me and we talked. He said that he would send me the current full year financial statements within two weeks (why it would take so long since it is in a file cabinet, I don't know, except that with his penchant for technology, delivery by Pony Express may have been contemplated.) To make a longer story shorter, I never got the financials at all, and then got a letter from NLA's lawyer stonewalling the documents. So much for Rozen's word. I think Rozen should worry about how he spends his time, rather than how I spend mine. If it isn't clear that I oppose Rozen's re-election to the board based upon presently available information, let me make it clear - there are far better candidates. Also, either Guy or Ragu indicated in an earlier post in another topic that one of the NLA directors was operating some cars on a dealer plate, but didn't say who. My understanding is that an actual complaint was filed against him with the NLA. Since NLA won't cough up any records, does anyone know where this complaint came from?

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November 22nd, 2000, 04:31 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by UPTOWNLIMOUSINE:
i feel that a lot of your comments are very valid and they could really help the industry but the way you go about them is inncorrect it is to bad a person with so much to add is going about it in such a rage which just makes all the good that you could do seem like utter drivle of a spoiled kid that didn,t get his way. see you later i have a business to run and an association to help heal. cory rozen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A final note on this. If anyone out there thinks that any changes were going to take place at NLA or with the overload of awful directors on board by coming up "with good ideas," and that it doesn't take bludgeoning these people in public to get anything done, then you haven't ever dealt with NLA or the board and you are sadly mistaken. As you can see, even a legal letter to the officers and directors demanding to see books and records, and a promise from Rozen to send financials, didn't get any results. These people only understand one thing - using their own tactics of character assassination against them.
Now, let's get on with the possibly "good" candidates and see what their credentials are and what contributions they expect to make - Rozen obviously has neither.

November 22nd, 2000, 09:49 AM

JHJ,

You say that people from the NLA have attacked your credentials and you screamed bloody murder. When you did the same thing against uptownlimousines you turned around and attacked him more when you were the one who attacked his credentials. Also, is talking to someone over the phone so bad. I've talked to people over the phone and I feel more gets done over the phone and you can make a better judge of character by talking to them one on one. The forums are great but if YOU personally want to get more information from the candidates then CALL THEM. If I were a candidate I would be to scared to post something because you are judging people without even knowing them! Your making attacks on people above and judgements without any backing and without even knowing them.

November 22nd, 2000, 09:58 AM

VOTE FOR MIKE KELLER!!

Mike Keller is currently the President of the Great Lakes Limousine Association. He has done a great job of fighting for limousine rights in Michigan. He is innovative and most of all he LISTENS. He has brought a lot of operators in the area together which as all of us know is hard to do. Politically he has done a wonderful job with the fight to stop HR5812. If we want someone to represent the industry's interests then I feel that Mike Keller is an excellent candidate. I know because I've seen him at the State Capital in the cold lobby our intersts so that we can be guarranteed a future.

November 22nd, 2000, 10:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by nkokas:
JHJ,

You say that people from the NLA have attacked your credentials and you screamed bloody murder.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No one has attacked my credentials. They fail to address issues raised and then attack the person raising the issues. Just scroll back through the topics and you'll see it time and time again. Not one question has been answered and not one issue dealt with despite all of the promises. They can't attack my credentials, so they operate through innuendo.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> When you did the same thing against uptownlimousines you turned around and attacked him more when you were the one who attacked his credentials. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I can't say that I understand this point. I don't recall attacking Rozen's "credentials" on the first pass - I merely pointed out that his listing in the Membership Directory did not have an e-mail address or a website. And from a prior conversation with him he told me about his attitude toward computers and the internet - which I think counts for knowing something about him. He was invited to appear and tell everyone about himself, including what he thinks his contribution to NLA can be. Instead of doing so he whined about the comment that he had no e-mail address or web site (which is true in his main listing), and then took his shot. He had time to do that, but not to say anything about his candidacy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Also, is talking to someone over the phone so bad. I've talked to people over the phone and I feel more gets done over the phone and you can make a better judge of character by talking to them one on one. The forums are great but if YOU personally want to get more information from the candidates then CALL THEM.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Get real! There are about 1,700 or 1,800 NLA members. If each one started calling now his company would be out of business with the phone lines clogged, and each one of them might be able to talk to him for 30 seconds. I tried to return his call in October and in took two hours to get through the busy signals. This forum offers an opportunity for REAL interaction and the presentation of the candidate's experience and his aspirations for NLA, rather than the several sentences of pablum that NLA gives you along with the ballot when it is mailed. To say "call me" is a cop-out. This candidate doesn't have anything to say about what he's all about or what he wants to do. He wants to lay low and hope he can get under the radar.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> If I were a candidate I would be to scared to post something because you are judging people without even knowing them! Your making attacks on people above and judgements without any backing and without even knowing them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You've got it quite wrong. I know enough about Rozen to comment on him. I don't make comments without "backing," and to say I do means you're not reading. Rozen isn't going to get re-elected anyhow - too many people plan to vote against him. He'd be wise to simply bow out now. We'll discuss this after the election again when I can say "I told you so." Look who he's running against!

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November 22nd, 2000, 10:59 AM

To say I have not been reading is another statement made without any backing. I have literally read every single page and post that is on this site. And to INITIALLY say uptown limo has no website and no email address was a statement made without backing as well because obviously he does. And if you do not even remember when you claimed to want to sue someone for making a claim against your company than you have short term memory. SEE I obviously do read the posts but I do not care to add to the drama that doesn't need to be here. I feel that a lot of people agree because when I posted the post on name calling and getting nothing accomplished by doing so, I recieved feedback from many others that the same is being felt.

November 22nd, 2000, 11:06 AM

If you can't remember you attacking Rozens credentials then look at your first post on this forum. In my eyes that was an attack. And since he had to make a reponse as well I'm sure he felt it was an attack as well.

I don't mean to burst anyones bubbles but I'm just the small guy looking in and I like to say how I percive things. I have nothing against you JHJ but I do not like the way you are attacking other peoples characters.

By the way thanks for the extraction software that you have had experience with. It was a great help!

November 22nd, 2000, 11:15 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by nkokas:
To say I have not been reading is another statement made without any backing. I have literally read every single page and post that is on this site. And to INITIALLY say uptown limo has no website and no email address was a statement made without backing as well because obviously he does.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hardly. Go to his listing and you'll se that, in fact, his company has neither. You discover the e-mail and web site ONLY if you go to the first few pages of the book where NLA officers are listed. Someone who is hunting for "Uptown Limousine" will do what I did, go to the alphabetical list and get the information, and the e-mail and web site isn't there. After he complained, I chcked and confirmed that it wasn't there. Then I went to his PERSONAL (not COMPANY listing and saw that under the NLA Directors he listed a web site and e-mail). No one using the Directory to find a limo company by the name of Uptown Limousine will go anywhere other than the alphabetical listing because they don't know he's an officer.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>And if you do not even remember when you claimed to want to sue someone for making a claim against your company than you have short term memory.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I remember it well. This was not, as you said in your last post, an attack on my credentials. It was an outright knowing misrepresenation by an NLA director of the number of vehicles in our fleet. This happens to fall under the legal heading "trade slander," and I certainly planned to do something about it. You should be a little more concerned about the conduct of your NLA directors.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>I feel that a lot of people agree because when I posted the post on name calling and getting nothing accomplished by doing so, I recieved feedback from many others that the same is being felt.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You're out of touch. We've accomplished a great deal since August when what you say is "name-calling" started. We've killed the certification program, we got Joey Cirruzzo on the Legislative Committee, and he will run for director next year I'm sure. We've forced NLA to start living by its by-laws, and I think the by-laws are going to be substantially if not totally revised before long as a result of what has been going on here. Also as a result of these forums, we're going to get rid of bad directors, such as Rozen, and elect some good people. My e-mail traffic and phone calls from NLA members who want these changes has run into the hundreds. What have YOU done for NLA this year except call for help?

November 22nd, 2000, 11:25 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by nkokas:
If you can't remember you attacking Rozens credentials then look at your first post on this forum. In my eyes that was an attack. And since he had to make a reponse as well I'm sure he felt it was an attack as well.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yup, I re-read it. I said his listing has no e-mail and no website, which was true. If that's an "attack" in your book, then it's an attack - but with factual support. Then I said he is a Luddite and doesn't like computers or anything much to do with them. And, yup, that's pretty much what he told me on the phone in October when we talked for about an hour. If that's an attack in your book, then it's an attack - but, again, with support based on Rozen's own words. Your point was that I say things without "backing" and without "knowing" them, and that statement lacks support. If you know Rozen and have something good to say about him, then that's what this forum is for - please say it. But if you don't know him, and you aren't familar with what's been going on at NLA of how arrogant some of these directors are toward the members, then why are you complaining. Do you not want good people on the NLA board? Do you realize how awful some of them are? They think that they can do whatever they want with NLA and screw the members. Read Tom Mazza's editorial in the December LCT when it comes out - and there will be more in January.

As to the candidate that you say good things about, have you encouraged him to come on to the forum so that we can hear what he has to say?

I'm glad the software works for you. It has worked very well for us.

November 22nd, 2000, 01:08 PM

Quick thought,
How bout posting a list of questions for the candidates and then inviting them to respond here? , Now if they dont have email, we will fax and invite them, i am sure they can find a computer to sighn on and answer.
I think this would be very positive for the members?
In the future, we could have this done on the NLA web site, and have a live forum for the members to come on and ask questions, could even do this for board members once a month, great way to communicate.

November 22nd, 2000, 02:28 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcs:
Quick thought,
How bout posting a list of questions for the candidates and then inviting them to respond here? , Now if they dont have email, we will fax and invite them, i am sure they can find a computer to sighn on and answer.
I think this would be very positive for the members?
In the future, we could have this done on the NLA web site, and have a live forum for the members to come on and ask questions, could even do this for board members once a month, great way to communicate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No question about it that NLA could do something like this, but one has to admit that limos.com has a wider than NLA following and does a good job. It would be a lot easier to just have a dedicated forum or section on limos.com rather than going to the expense of trying to do this on the NLA web site. Maybe Michael has a thought or two on this.
As to questions for the candidates, I leaned away from that because of the trouble getting NLA directors to respond to issues and questions for the past three months and also because it might look like we're trying to control the discussion. I thought free-form would be best - tell us about yourself, tell us what your industry experience is, and tell us what you think is the best role for NLA and how you can contribute to it. Then the participants here can interact and, hopefully, that would develop into a fruitful forum.

November 22nd, 2000, 04:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dcs:
In the future, we could have this done on the NLA web site, and have a live forum for the members to come on and ask questions, could even do this for board members once a month, great way to communicate.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
David -
If you feel strongly about trying this, go to the website of the folks who power these forums, www.infopop.com (http://www.infopop.com) , where you will find licensing and pricing information. It's not hard to set up, but I feel a loyalty to Michael and he has far more traffic than NLA will generate on its site for the forseeable future. Then again, we've created such a ruckus he might wish us to be gone.
Jim

[This message has been edited by jhj (edited 11-22-2000).]

November 23rd, 2000, 02:41 AM

November 23rd, 2000, 11:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Jacksonville Jammer:
I have a suggestion.
Resign<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"The Jacksonville Jammer" - could this be Allen Melton finally speaking out?

November 23rd, 2000, 12:29 PM

After getting the NLA fax listing the nominees, I still do not have any basic information about the qualifications of the candidates. Without spending hours trying to investigate each candidate, I would like the NLA to distribute some basic information on each person listed. This may be an impossible request. Information such as years in the business, years in the NLA, fleet size, etc... and most importantly whatever info they supplied to the nominating committee which indicates why they want to be a director.

In reviewing the list some names are familiar and have been mentioned good or bad in these forums. Other names are familiar from the industry publications. But I still do not have any basic knowledge to determine who deserves my vote. Who is Deano Herrera?
Who is Alton Hagan? Who is Jeff Greene?
Fortunatley I know who Cory Rozen and John
Goldberg are.

Unless these candidates (or people who know the candidates) post some valid information on this forum or the NLA provides some information in addition to just names, selecting candidates for office will be impossible. I guess my fear is having members vote for candidates whose names (or company names) sound familiar and winding up with a cast of directors like we currently have.

November 23rd, 2000, 02:18 PM

Forum Friends,
Gary Bauer's e-mail address is gary@bauerslimousine.com, his website is www.bauerslimousine.com. (http://www.bauerslimousine.com.) Would this qualify him for "Non-Luddite" status?

I am familiar with all but 3 of the candidates for office. I don't want to endorse a slate or comment on each one of them.

However, I would like to comment on my friend Jeff Greene of Greene Classic Limousine in Atlanta.

Jeff is first of all a gentleman in every sense of the word. I have come to work with him on a number of different issues over the last 4 years and I find him to be among the brightest people I have met. He is a "big" operator with 37 cars but he is a person with strong blue collar work ethic.

I recently visited his operation in late October and had a chance to meet privately with many of his employees. The comment I consistently heard was Jeff is an excellent boss who treats EVERYONE with respect. His vehicles and chauffeurs are among the best I have seen.

Most importantly, he is a bright person without political ties or affiliations that would prevent him from doing a great job as director. He also has a team in place that would allow him to devote time to the Board.

[This message has been edited by Tom Mazza (edited 11-29-2000).]

November 23rd, 2000, 02:18 PM

November 24th, 2000, 03:53 AM

I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT MY TERM ON THE BOARD HAS BEEN A GOOD EXPERIENCE. I HAVE BEEN THE TREASURER FOR TWO TERMS IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME THE NLA HAS HAD IT'S VERY FIRST BUDGET AND HAS POSTED IT'S BIGGEST FINANCIAL GAINS. I HAVE ALSO BEEN CHAIRMAN OF THE LEGILATIVE COMMITTEE FOR TWO TERMS AND I FEEL I HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL FOR HIRING OUR LOBBYST MAYBE NOT THE CHOICE OF MOST BUT HE HAS DONE A FANTATSTIC JOB OF GETTING THE NLA RCOGNIZED ON THE HILL.I HAVE ALSO WORK VERY HARD TO STRENGHTEN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ITLA I AM NOW AMEMBER OF THE ITLA. I HAVE WORKED VERY QUIETLY BEHIND THE SCENES TO FIANALLY SETTLE THEPINNACLE ISSUE. AND IAM A STRONG SUPPORTER OF MR.CIRRUZZO. I HAVE ALSO MADE MANY TRIPS TO WASHINGTON ON MY OWN DIME AND HAVE LEARNED THE SLOW AND PAINFULL RULES OF POLITICS.I AM NOT USED TO HAVING TO DEFEND MYSELF BUT THI IS PART OF THE RULES OF POLITICS.I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER TERM BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT I FEEL THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED AND I WANT TO THANK JIM FOR POINTING THEM OUT A LOT OF THEM WERE MY CONCERNS EVEN BEFORE ALL OF THIS WAS STARTED BUT ROME WASN'T BUILT IN ADAY THIS IS A VOLUNTEER JOB I LOVE THIS INDUSTRY I AM PROUD TO BE A LEADER IN THIS INDUSTRY AND I AM PROUD THAT I'VE HAD A HAND IN ADDING LEGITAMCY TO IT. THANK YOU CORY ROZEN

November 24th, 2000, 04:12 AM

Please no shouting, I'm interest in all comments but the ALL CAPS in killing me eyes.
Thanks

November 24th, 2000, 11:56 AM

I'm glad Cory Rozen came back to post here after a rather bad start. Hopefully, we won't have to sling barbs in this topic if everyone will use it as intended.

November 24th, 2000, 12:02 PM

cory you did forget to say something.
I QUIT

November 24th, 2000, 01:53 PM

I appreciate this forum to learn about some of these people I do not know.
The comments about Mr. Green was enlightning at least its a start and he is somebody I can look further at.
But I must warn you, my father always told me to be aware of people that say "trust me".
Please keep the information coming.
T L

November 25th, 2000, 09:26 AM

(7) It is entirely appropriate, given its place in our industry, for Carey International to enter one of its top executives in the current election. The same dispensation should have been given to Sam Amato of Gateway San Francisco who let his membership lapse for one year. Remember, having someone run and electing him are two different things. By the way, Carey's participation in the TLPA has been nothing but positive and constructive.

Jon:

I totally agree with your comments except for one - item #7 referenced above. I do not
feel that it is appropriate at this time for Jon Goldberg to be nominated for office after just having paid the $11,000 in back dues. The timing of the events and Carey's ties with the Certification Program just make me smell buying the nomination. I would have no
objection for Mr. Goldberg to put himself forth as a candidate after being reinstated for a period of one year. You indicate that Carey is an active player in the TLPA. Let them prove the same here, participate on committees, etc.... Let them prove who they are. Paying $11,000 and immediately seeking office just doesn't sit right with me. As far as Mr. Amato, I don't know the details and can't comment.

Carey should not be put forth as a candidate for this election - future elections maybe -
let the passage of time and their good acts determine if they are worthy of being a future candidate.

If they truly care about this industry, the knowledge and information they can provide can be supplied to the NLA whether or not they are formally elected as a director on this go around. It might prove their intentions if they jump into the pit to help start digging out the NLA without the formality of a vote to a directorship.

The previous was taken from one of the other NLA forums (NLA Love It or Leave It).

November 25th, 2000, 09:45 AM

Some comments on the Jon Goldberg nomination:

1. The NLA bylaws state that a member can be reinstated by paying back dues. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine the intent was to allow a member to pay a missed years dues and be reinstated. I don't believe the intent was for a member to have the ability to beg off being a member and not being involved for a period of years (9 or 10 years has been the number thrown around), paying his back dues and then being reinstated as if nothing had happened.

2. I know the by-laws have been used as a club, punishing those not in favor and rewarding those currently in favor. It appears that Mr. Goldberg is currently in favor.

3. The timing of paying the back dues ($11,000) and being nominated smells to high heaven. It may be perfectly legitimate, legal, according to the by-laws, etc.... but it does not sit right. This would be true for Mr. Goldberg as well as any other individual that did the same thing.

4. I agree with the previous posting, Mr. Goldberg could be a player, imparting his knowledge and experience to help move the NLA forward. This can be accomplished without running for a current directorship.

5. Stand down from this election. Do the right thing like others have done. Eliminate the stigma attached to the $11,000 payment. Prove who you are - come back and run in a future election.

November 29th, 2000, 12:14 PM

Tom Mazza,

I know you said you didn't want to endorse any candidate. But, your comments about Jeff Greene sure sounds like an endorsement to me. C'mon be fair I know you know other candidates how 'bout not endorseing them also. Confused?

November 29th, 2000, 01:22 PM

Monte Carlo,
I made a mistake in my post that reads as an endorsement of Jeff Greene. I should have either endorsed a slate of candidates or kept quiet. Sorry!And the candidate who called to complain (who is a solid candidate)was justified.

I hope everyone understands that I am speaking as an individual and AM NOT acting as a spokesperson for the magazine.

Last night I was interviewed on WB, Channel 11 in NYC about monster limos and stretched SUV's. I got a couple of critical calls today about the interview. So I am a little gun shy today.

November 29th, 2000, 01:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tom Mazza:
Monte Carlo,
I made a mistake in my post that reads as an endorsement of Jeff Greene. I should have either endorsed a slate of candidates or kept quiet. Sorry!And the candidate who called to complain (who is a solid candidate)was justified.

I hope everyone understands that I am speaking as an individual and AM NOT acting as a spokesperson for the magazine.

Last night I was interviewed on WB, Channel 11 in NYC about monster limos and stretched SUV's. I got a couple of critical calls today about the interview. So I am a little gun shy today.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhhhh - the price of celebrity!

November 29th, 2000, 03:22 PM

Hello to everyone in the forum. I want to begin by thanking Michael for setting this forum up. It is a good opportunity to meet the candidates. Also, thanks for the invitation to join. Eventhough I am a Limos.com affiliate, I haven't had a chance to sit and explore the site. I will correct that oversight over the next couple of days.

Let me introduce myself. My name is Don Kensey and am a candidate for the NLA Board. I am from New Jersey and have been in the limousine business since 1992. I started with one vehicle and have grown to a current fleet size of 12(3 towncars & 9 limousines).

In my previous life, I graduated University of Pennsylvania, Wharton School of Finance in 1978 and worked my way through the corporate ranks to the position of Controller. In 1994, I decided to take a leap of faith and operate my limousine business full time.

I joined the South Jersey Limousine Association (SJLA) the same time I started my business in 1992. I am a past president for the Association and still attend SJLA Board meetings in an advisory position.

While I was the SJLA President, Jim Moseley (James Limousine) and I met with Congressman Rob Andrews to seek advice about the interstate problem of New Jersey operators being fined for picking up their clients in New York City and returning them to New Jersey. To make a long story short HR1689 and the Limousine Industry Coalition were born.

Before you start to boo me, I need to explain something. Eventhough HR1689 hasn't passed yet, we have made many allies in Washington, DC because of our exposure. Many of the Congressmen, Senators and their staffers didn't know there even was a National Limousine Association. They were only aware of the ITLA.

I made many daytrips to Washington DC visiting Congressman, Senators, and the USDOT officials on the issues of Gas Guzzler, Hours of Service for limousine drivers, overtime wage for drivers and dispatchers, and TEA21 (Transportation Equity Act for 21st century) rules affecting the operation of limousine services. I helped organize the grass roots campaign that stopped harmful language (being inserted by the bus industry)in the motor carrier safety act last year.

In New Jersey I was an integral part of the team that started the Limousine Associations of New Jersey (LANJ) and making the three state associations individual chapters.

I have met with other state associations (outside of New Jersey) to help them to establish their own lobbying effort at the state level.

I joined the NLA in 1995 and have been a dues paying member year after year. I believe there are problems that need to be addressed about the NLA, including the bylaws and setting policy. The information guiding NLA policy should flow up from the membership rather than down to it. I also believe that trying to fix the problems from the outside looking in is useless. You have to fix the problems from the inside. It would be like trying to fix a limo that won't run without lifting the hood. What are you going to do? Kick the tires?

I don't profess to have all the answers. I am smart enough to ask questions and more importantly listen to the responses. By the way, I have read some great ideas right from this forum.

As a smaller operator, I believe I share many of the same problems as other smaller operators. I want to give you a voice on the NLA Board. I want your support and your vote. As we are now aware (especially Florida) every vote does count!!!

That is what I am all about. I am open to any questions.

Thanks for the time.

Don Kensey

November 30th, 2000, 02:18 AM

November 30th, 2000, 04:52 AM

Wade,
My comments basically stated that I do NOT believe a stretched SUV is unsafe on its face however I believe STRONGLY that the base manufacturer must be convinced that the stretched vehicle does not comprimise the structural integrity of the SUV. I also stated that every stretched SUV should have the heavy duty truck brakes. I have spoken to a number of chauffeurs who have had the S--- scared out of them when driving a fully loaded SUV limo. I also believe it will take a tragedy to spotlight this problem.

I also talked about my personal belief in the QVM program and what I have learned from visiting FORD and dealing directly with their engineering department

November 30th, 2000, 05:46 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tom Mazza:
Wade,
My comments basically stated that I do NOT believe a stretched SUV is unsafe on its face however I believe STRONGLY that the base manufacturer must be convinced that the stretched vehicle does not comprimise the structural integrity of the SUV. I also stated that every stretched SUV should have the heavy duty truck brakes. I have spoken to a number of chauffeurs who have had the S--- scared out of them when driving a fully loaded SUV limo. I also believe it will take a tragedy to spotlight this problem.

I also talked about my personal belief in the QVM program and what I have learned from visiting FORD and dealing directly with their engineering department<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tom,

How has the QVM program helped the limousine industry? Name one test that proves that a QVM vehicle is safer than an non-QVM vehicle. I'm looking for specific facts and test figures not emotions or guesses.

Wade Randolph

November 30th, 2000, 07:07 AM

Michael -
Can you move this stuff on vehicles to the Limousine Vehicles Forum? This forum was intended for NLA candidates and members to addresses election issues. Although QVM matters may be something we want to know about a candidate, a debate with Tom over his position is not "on topic" here.

December 1st, 2000, 12:33 AM

How can the NLA have an election with out having an annual meeting.
Also I read that the forum is happy to hear from this board member and that one, and we appreciate what you plan on doing yada yada yada. Sorry, they are not doing thier job. All action by the NLA should have ceased since there was no annual meeting. All actions by the NLA current or future should be opposed by the board. Those board members who have signed on to the form should send a written letter of opposition to the President of the NLA, and post it here on the forum for all to see, so that we the members of the NLA know which hole they are talking out of.

jhj,
Is it possible for NLA members to sue the NLA from the state they are located in? If so could you give some advise of the procedure.

December 1st, 2000, 01:02 AM

Mr. Kensey:

Thanks for the information. At least one of the candidates can put together a synopsis of what they are about and what they hope to accomplish if elected.

HOW ABOUT SOME INFORMATION FROM THE REST OF THE NOMINEES? I KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE - I KNOW YOU ARE READING THE FORUM POSTINGS.
STAND-UP, LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

December 1st, 2000, 02:12 PM

Paulie I moved my answers to the love it or leave it forum for this topic.
As that is a good war forum and it is getting cranked up again.
Joe C

December 2nd, 2000, 10:27 PM

You all mentioned some of the candidates but failed to mention Gary with "Pure Luxury Limousine". This is a thumbs up guy who I have dealt with and believe he is the ONE FOR THE POSITION! I have a question for the candidates. What do you plan to do about Lincoln dealerships who fail to work on our limousines>? How would you go about handling that? That should be number one priority to see to it we get qualified mechanics for our fleets without having to go to some mom and pop shop for maintenence with these vehicles.
And as for the statement that big limousines should have truck brakes is ridiculous. How many big limousines are out here already with the same brakes and still stop? How could you say something like that? You really are making it sound so nice to rent a SUV. Just lovely of you to say something like that! Your killing the business! Think! Before the mouth rolls! I think it would be nice to get someone to fill in the gaps that doesn't skip down the yellow brick road singing "If only I had a Brain!"
For those of you out there with brains. Trust me! Go with Gary with Pure Luxury. I am truly looking out for all of our best interest. Do you guys have any dirt to pull up on him?

December 3rd, 2000, 12:19 PM

007 Its good you mentioned Gary, I know some of the gang that does work for his company and they say he pays decent.
If your close with him you should tell him to get on here and tell the people who he is. Maybe he should give some of his own opinions also. It would probably could for him to make a few phone calls to people like Joe C at Elegan in NY or Guy at Paradise in Tampa, they could bring votes if his agenda is right.

December 3rd, 2000, 07:40 PM

I received a strange email from Tom Mazza who was anything but polite in his speech and reply to my remark. Stating I was basically calling him stupid. Did anyone hear such a word!? However point blank for everyone to know that comments about the industry can be very wrong if you say things before speaking. To Tom Mazza who challenged me to call him and gave his number. I run a business complaint free I might add for the total I've been in business. I don't got time to make sense to people who don't make sense to begin with. If you want to challenge the coachbuilders and manufacturers of the vehicles. So Be IT! However whoever got the S@#$%^ scared out of them for not coming to a full stop should keep their foot off the pedal! Limousines weren't made for drivers to speed and not be able to stop! Common sense. The people you spoke about should warn us who they are so we can bring some neck braces if that's the case. My regards if you feel Stupid. But common sense tells me that some chauffeurs should consider having to brake and know their vehicles and what it could handle! Theirfore to all of you that heard negative about SUV's. Here it from a company with experience and no accidents I might add. They are only as safe as their drivers. This is my point. Although maybe it would help these guys out alot if they did have truck brakes as Tom Mazza said...

December 3rd, 2000, 07:55 PM

Thanks THe Big Ragu. I dropped him a email this evening and invited him to introduce himself. Glad to know that someone one here agrees with me on this.

December 4th, 2000, 04:48 AM

Mysterious 007,
What was so strange about my e-mail? You made a specific, sarcastic comment about my assessment that stretched SUV's need heavy duty brakes.Something about the yellow brick road. My comment specifically is that I have done extensive research on the matter of limousine safety. I have had 3 on-site meetings with NHTSA, I have spoken directly and visited numerous coachbuilders. I have also visited and have been educated by the Ford engineering department. I am not an engineer but am a reasonably intelligent person who has access to good information and made an informed statement. That's why they asked me to appear on Channel 11.

I also advertise who I am and I am directly available to criticize, I dont hide behind an alias.

December 5th, 2000, 02:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tom Mazza:
Mysterious 007,
What was so strange about my e-mail? You made a specific, sarcastic comment about my assessment that stretched SUV's need heavy duty brakes.Something about the yellow brick road. My comment specifically is that I have done extensive research on the matter of limousine safety. I have had 3 on-site meetings with NHTSA, I have spoken directly and visited numerous coachbuilders. I have also visited and have been educated by the Ford engineering department. I am not an engineer but am a reasonably intelligent person who has access to good information and made an informed statement. That's why they asked me to appear on Channel 11.

I also advertise who I am and I am directly available to criticize, I dont hide behind an alias.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tom:

The Navigator is built on the Ford F150 truck chassis. When the coachbuilders stretch them they replace the stock air suspension in the rear with truck springs and 10 ply truck tires. My Navigator from Craftsmen is also equipped with ceramic brake pads.

The Excursion is built on the Ford F250-350 truck chassis.

Both these vehicles are considered heavy duty vehicles and have tremendous tow ratings, so the need for extra braking power is really not neccessary.

I currently own a stretch SUV and we have found that the stopping distances are similar to loaded QVM vehicles. Anyone driving a loaded limousine or towing a heavy load should always exercise extra caution considering the extra load on the braking system.

Wade

December 5th, 2000, 06:21 AM

Can the discussion about stretch SUV's be moved elsewhere. This was set up for NLA candidates. Lets stay on the topic as originally planned. Thanks.

December 5th, 2000, 08:07 AM

First to 007, hopefully if Gary get on then more will. If there is an election it certainly will help.

Another thing you are 100% right about driving any limousine to fast, I have preached to my drivers for years, these cars are not built for speed.

Hey also keep the 007 handle we are having a blast with the code names, it drives people crazy, I love it!!!

Your right Don lets talk Nominees.

Hey Don who do you want to dump off the present board.
Oh never mind you better not answer that.

December 5th, 2000, 01:11 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Big Ragu:
[B]First to 007, hopefully if Gary get on then more will. If there is an election it certainly will help.

OK-OK... I have registered and introduced myself, however it went to general information. I cannot figure out how to post it to this file.

Please help??? Gary Buffo

December 5th, 2000, 03:03 PM

Gary,

It looks as if you are doing things right - if not, please email me at info@limos.com or call 480.592.0880 as I can get someone to assist you.

Thanks
Michael

December 5th, 2000, 04:21 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joe C:
Paulie I moved my answers to the love it or leave it forum for this topic.
As that is a good war forum and it is getting cranked up again.
Joe C<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Joey, The N.L.A. was run by giants in the 1980's, it is now largely run by short-timers in the industry who don't have a clue. We all know this. The I.T.L.A. is so far superior to the sidewalk soci's who run the N.L.A. The N.L.A. can be saved, but the short-sighted people who run it must be removed. Sincerely, DEAN SCHULER

December 6th, 2000, 03:06 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by XENEFOX Media Corporation:
Gary,

It looks as if you are doing things right - if not, please email me at info@limos.com or call 480.592.0880 as I can get someone to assist you.

Thanks
Michael<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Michael:

I would like to nominate or see Scott Solombrino run for a NLA board position also. I know he is interested and would make a great director.

Wade Randolph

December 6th, 2000, 03:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Riverside Limo:
Michael:

I would like to nominate or see Scott Solombrino run for a NLA board position also. I know he is interested and would make a great director.

Wade Randolph

Your prayers have beenn answerd. Received a fax blast from Mr. Solombrino @ 5:44 EST on 12/5/00 asking for my vote.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

December 9th, 2000, 12:04 PM

Some comments in response to Jon Goldbergs letter concerning certification in the recent LCT.

1. His comment about keeping the current standards limiting and severe keeps the certification program a Carey sandbox and marketing tool. The fewer the companies that are certified, the more valuable the certification program becomes to Carey. The current program as we all know is smoke and mirrors but Carey has successfully used it to attract clients and distinguish itself from others who have safety programs that really do what they are supposed to. Allowing other companies to become more easily certified might level the playing field.

2. Of the 210 companies and 5200 chauffeurs supposedly in the program, how many of them are Carey companies or affiliates and employees? Keeping the program protects a very large investment that Carey made in an attempt to put itself above the rest of the industry.

3. Based upon the comments in the forums, I don't believe that many companies wasted much time. Money maybe but not an excessive amount of time getting certified.

4. If you feel that many of the people that purchased the program were not misled by the NLA you must be smoking something that smells like burning leaves. The original contract between Pinnacle and the NLA was at the very least unethical (not to say something else).
Companies (mostly Carey) tried to use the certifiation program as a club to grab business. The gold stars in the NLA directory indicating which companies were certified is perhaps the biggest outrage of all. How could the NLA segregate portions of its membership into two pieces - those certified and those not certified. The gold stars sure made all the Carey companies happy.

5. Your last comment "We believe in supporting the NLA, our industry and working from within to effect change." is perhaps your most outrageous comment of the letter. WHERE WAS CAREY FOR THE LAST 7, 8 or 9 YEARS? You weren't an NLA member. Your company obviously didn't care. Suddenly you see the light and pay $11,000 in back dues.
in order to run for a directorship. Is it that you realy care, have seen the light and want to help - or is it that you feel that you can protect the Carey investment in the certification program a lot easier from the inside.

December 10th, 2000, 12:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hesch (from Florida):
Some comments in response to Jon Goldbergs letter concerning certification in the recent LCT.

1. His comment about keeping the current standards limiting and severe keeps the certification program a Carey sandbox and marketing tool. The fewer the companies that are certified, the more valuable the certification program becomes to Carey. The current program as we all know is smoke and mirrors but Carey has successfully used it to attract clients and distinguish itself from others who have safety programs that really do what they are supposed to. Allowing other companies to become more easily certified might level the playing field.

2. Of the 210 companies and 5200 chauffeurs supposedly in the program, how many of them are Carey companies or affiliates and employees? Keeping the program protects a very large investment that Carey made in an attempt to put itself above the rest of the industry.

3. Based upon the comments in the forums, I don't believe that many companies wasted much time. Money maybe but not an excessive amount of time getting certified.

4. If you feel that many of the people that purchased the program were not misled by the NLA you must be smoking something that smells like burning leaves. The original contract between Pinnacle and the NLA was at the very least unethical (not to say something else).
Companies (mostly Carey) tried to use the certifiation program as a club to grab business. The gold stars in the NLA directory indicating which companies were certified is perhaps the biggest outrage of all. How could the NLA segregate portions of its membership into two pieces - those certified and those not certified. The gold stars sure made all the Carey companies happy.

5. Your last comment "We believe in supporting the NLA, our industry and working from within to effect change." is perhaps your most outrageous comment of the letter. WHERE WAS CAREY FOR THE LAST 7, 8 or 9 YEARS? You weren't an NLA member. Your company obviously didn't care. Suddenly you see the light and pay $11,000 in back dues.
in order to run for a directorship. Is it that you realy care, have seen the light and want to help - or is it that you feel that you can protect the Carey investment in the certification program a lot easier from the inside. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hesch:

I could not have said it better myself!!

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Wade Randolph

December 10th, 2000, 03:36 PM

I'll ditto Wade, this Carey certification program, (because thats what it is) was a bunch of crap from the beginning. This hypocritical board of directors should absolutely be chastised and sent down the road. If any of them are reelected I will puke. Of course this crude of directors are going to let Goldberg in and call the shots, they all want Carey to buy them out. Including the biggest hypocrite of them all Daryl Norman Bates. These stupid ignorant ass kissers really belived these companies were turning in a true certification, get real. When the first ballot hits we are planning a fax/email blast to all NLA members and tell them who not to vote for. We have 27 people ready to send this info out, providing the ballots are really sent out to all members. Wait we are not done yet.
Hey Carmela you out there was Joe over for sauce, this is sunday.

December 10th, 2000, 06:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ragu:
I'll ditto Wade, this Carey certification program, (because thats what it is) was a bunch of crap from the beginning. This hypocritical board of directors should absolutely be chastised and sent down the road. If any of them are reelected I will puke. Of course this crude of directors are going to let Goldberg in and call the shots, they all want Carey to buy them out. Including the biggest hypocrite of them all Daryl Norman Bates. These stupid ignorant ass kissers really belived these companies were turning in a true certification, get real. When the first ballot hits we are planning a fax/email blast to all NLA members and tell them who not to vote for. We have 27 people ready to send this info out, providing the ballots are really sent out to all members. Wait we are not done yet.
Hey Carmela you out there was Joe over for sauce, this is sunday.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Wade/Ragu

I never felt that this was a Carey Certification program. This program was started to tell the Feds we can police our own industry. It's very clear to me now that this program headed by the NLA is probably going the way of the DoDo bird.

If a company wants a certification program they could do it themselves or find a company in the private sector to managed it for them.

In the State of Oregon. Companies are required to go through a certifcation program in order to provide service at the Portland International Airport. Drug Testing, customer service class, background checks on drivers. The Pinnancle program was one of the programs approved by the Port. Other companies that were not involved with Pinnancle had to use other service providers that met the requirements of the Port of Portland.

I feel that a company that wants to offer a certifed safty program can do so by themselves and they can use it as marketing tool to educate the consumer.

I have seen over the years, that we have members in the NLA who are members only because they had $125 and a limo. They didn't even come close to holding up the ideals of the association. I would like to see in the future, that members who apply or renew their membership, be required to show proof of insurance. We can do this by naming the NLA as an Insured Interest. The members should also provide docs on the proper permits for the airport or city liscenses.

I don't feel this should create anymore paper work now then what we are doing with the certication program. In fact, we can advertise to the public, that when you see the NLA seal on a company ad that they have met quality standards setforth by the NLA to become a member.

I also feel that the comments about Mr. Goldberg are getting kind of old. You Wade & Ragu and the rest of the membership will call the shots. It's called a ballot. Get out and vote for your board.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member
Western Region

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[This message has been edited by fivestaroregon (edited 12-10-2000).]

December 10th, 2000, 09:35 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hesch (from Florida):
field.

2. Of the 210 companies and 5200 chauffeurs supposedly in the program, how many of them are Carey companies or affiliates and employees?
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Great question. Since Dav El and Empire use their own program, Carey bought into this program to standarized a program for the entire company. I am requesting from the NLA office the total number to be posted on this forum.

By the way, Another letter from Carey went out to the offices and affilates. The company has been having problems in obtaining renewal status for many operators since the program went to the NLA offices. We have been asked not to send money in until the problems have been corrected.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member
Western Region

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December 11th, 2000, 05:33 AM

Please refer comments to the NLA Election Forum which was set up for this discussion.

December 11th, 2000, 11:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by fivestaroregon:

I also feel that the comments about Mr. Goldberg are getting kind of old. You Wade & Ragu and the rest of the membership will call the shots. It's called a ballot. Get out and vote for your board.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member
Western Region

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You might think our comments about Mr. Goldberg are getting old but he is the one that wrote to LCT to voice his position. I think myself and anyone else that is uncomfortable with Mr. Goldbergs approach to becoming an NLA Director and the Certification Program should voice our opinions in opposition to his statements.

He is not my boss, he doesn't send me business, I am not a Carey affiliate. I do know that if it looks rotten, smells rotten, then it must be rotten. Just seems to me that he is part of the same old stuff that is going on today.

I made this comment before - Jon Goldberg step aside for this election, prove who you are, accept a committee position. I you are what you say - I am certain you will be supported in future elections.

I still haven't heard one word from the majority of the other nominees. The NLA still has not made available information on each nominee as to who the are, what they are, why they want to be a director, etc....
It will be nice to try and blindly vote for the nominees if and when ballots are received.

December 11th, 2000, 11:49 AM

Hesh

Thanks for your remarks. You do have the right to voice your opinion. I am going to forward these responses to Jon. I hope he will respond to them.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member
Western Region

P.S.
Do you have any other thoughts concerning my post. Thanks

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December 11th, 2000, 01:05 PM

December 11th, 2000, 04:37 PM

John you are absolutely right these guys comments are getting old, its to bad they have to be asked again and again and again.
Sorry but I have to agree that whole thing stinks it just makes it worse that it is a Carey person. Let me ask you, do you think it was ethical? Why would the board allow it and why wasn't he asked to go on a committee for a year then run. I believe the answer is obvious.
Unfortunately I am getting board with this whole outlandish mess the NLA is in. Iam not sure its worth being part of anymore.
The TLPA people must be sitting back laughing their ass off.
Oh well

December 11th, 2000, 04:41 PM

Oh by the way, Tommy Mazza I finally received the magazine and the story was very good, its how many feel.
I am glad to see Mr. Bobbit gave you a free hand.
See ya

December 11th, 2000, 11:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Riverside Limo:
Tom:

The Navigator is built on the Ford F150 truck chassis. When the coachbuilders stretch them they replace the stock air suspension in the rear with truck springs and 10 ply truck tires. My Navigator from Craftsmen is also equipped with ceramic brake pads.

The Excursion is built on the Ford F250-350 truck chassis.

Both these vehicles are considered heavy duty vehicles and have tremendous tow ratings, so the need for extra braking power is really not neccessary.

I currently own a stretch SUV and we have found that the stopping distances are similar to loaded QVM vehicles. Anyone driving a loaded limousine or towing a heavy load should always exercise extra caution considering the extra load on the braking system.

Wade

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Tom from Mysterious 007

I think remaining mysterious to you is a positive thing. And I think a whole lot of people will agree with me on this. I'm sure your on Santa's list for being a good boy! Maybe you can do something more productive like going into the President of Lincoln Manufacturers office and ask them why doesn't he enforce the private dealerships to work on the lincoln limousines?

December 12th, 2000, 02:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Guy in Tampa:
John you are absolutely right these guys comments are getting old, its to bad they have to be asked again and again and again.
Sorry but I have to agree that whole thing stinks it just makes it worse that it is a Carey person. Let me ask you, do you think it was ethical? Why would the board allow it and why wasn't he asked to go on a committee for a year then run. I believe the answer is obvious.
Unfortunately I am getting board with this whole outlandish mess the NLA is in. Iam not sure its worth being part of anymore.
The TLPA people must be sitting back laughing their ass off.
Oh well<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Hi Guy

If you look at my previous posts, I have already stated my postion. Once again, I am glad that Carey paid up their dues. However, the bylaws do not keep a person from running for the board when their dues are paid up. I feel that Jon or any other member who falls in this status, should be made to wait one year before running for the board.

This is an example of a bylaw that needs to be amended. That's why it's important to vote for the new board. Please consider re-electing Ron Scori for the board. He, myself, David and a few others want to overhaul the board and return it to the membership. Case in point, get rid of the executive commitee, re-write the bylaws, subject to a vote of the membership and make our records public.

Thanks for your comments. I need to hear from the membership.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

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December 12th, 2000, 02:57 PM

Hi John I new your answers and stance our association was waiting to hear from somebody else.
The nominating committee could have said NO to him and let him know he good go on a committee for a year, why wasn't that done?
Again this is no direct hit on the person of Goldberg, we felt this way on anyone that would have done that, it just looks very bad because it is involving a Carey person.
People are dropping from reading this forum because of it and will probably drop from the NLA because of it.
Listen John nobody forgets to pay anything for 9 years.
The whole board has lost alot of respect because of this move. It made people that don't care about anything the NLA does (their just one of those members)very unhappy?

It is also obvious that this board does not listen to its members.

December 12th, 2000, 10:09 PM

To all Nominees,
As members of the NLA, how do any of you justify accepting your nominations when there has been no annual meeting of the membership of the NLA?

December 13th, 2000, 04:04 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Riverside Limo:
Tom:

The Navigator is built on the Ford F150 truck chassis. When the coachbuilders stretch them they replace the stock air suspension in the rear with truck springs and 10 ply truck tires. My Navigator from Craftsmen is also equipped with ceramic brake pads.

The Excursion is built on the Ford F250-350 truck chassis.

Both these vehicles are considered heavy duty vehicles and have tremendous tow ratings, so the need for extra braking power is really not neccessary.

I currently own a stretch SUV and we have found that the stopping distances are similar to loaded QVM vehicles. Anyone driving a loaded limousine or towing a heavy load should always exercise extra caution considering the extra load on the braking system.

Wade

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

To answer back one more time to I'm a loser with Tom Mazza's statement in a personal email sent to my business email by Tom. I would like to say the chauffeur tape should of been named, Chauffeur training for dummies. And also that this site should have feed back that doesn't end up with harrassment from Monkeys in our industry. You can't step up to the plate and admit that mentioning on national television that stating SUV's are unsafe didn't scare some potential customers from renting SUV's by your comments on your views of what is safe. Fess up Tom Mazza!

December 13th, 2000, 07:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 007:
To answer back one more time to I'm a loser with Tom Mazza's statement in a personal email sent to my business email by Tom. I would like to say the chauffeur tape should of been named, Chauffeur training for dummies. And also that this site should have feed back that doesn't end up with harrassment from Monkeys in our industry. You can't step up to the plate and admit that mentioning on national television that stating SUV's are unsafe didn't scare some potential customers from renting SUV's by your comments on your views of what is safe. Fess up Tom Mazza! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nobody on this forum topic gives a sh*t.
Mike when you find sometime could you move this and the others like it to QVM or what ever topic it belongs.

December 13th, 2000, 07:43 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Cadillac Frank:
Nobody on this forum topic gives a sh*t.
Mike when you find sometime could you move this and the others like it to QVM or what ever topic it belongs.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ladies and Gentleman can we please keep it professional. We are all involved in a five star service industry, so lets act like we are.

December 13th, 2000, 08:19 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jhj:
[B]This forum is being opened as a platform for candidates for election to the board of directors of the NLA to provide statements of their platform and to discuss their experience in and views of the limousine industry and the role of NLA.

No offense to the descent operators on this forum, but this topic is a joke.
It seems that the NLA has gone to the Democratic Party School of Elections.
Although I appreciate the fact that we would all like to see a better slate of directors there is still one big problem, no Annual Meeting of the members of the NLA.
If this election takes place and we get the people we want on the board it will still be an illegal election, and will most likely come bake to bite us in the ass.
The way I see it we are just enabling the NLA to continue to operate illegally.

As for Mr. Goldberg, his payment of past dues does not allow him to be nominated or accept a board position.
Article 3 Section D may state that he has continuas membership as a Regular Active Member, it does not qualify him as an active regular member, Article 5 Section G. paragraph 2 lines 7,8,9. The same rule that supposedly keeps jhj. from running for a board seat.

December 13th, 2000, 10:55 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by UPTOWNLIMOUSINE:
I WOULD LIKE TO STATE THAT MY TERM ON THE BOARD HAS BEEN A GOOD EXPERIENCE. I HAVE BEEN THE TREASURER FOR TWO TERMS IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME THE NLA HAS HAD IT'S VERY FIRST BUDGET AND HAS POSTED IT'S BIGGEST FINANCIAL GAINS. I HAVE ALSO BEEN CHAIRMAN OF THE LEGILATIVE COMMITTEE FOR TWO TERMS AND I FEEL I HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL FOR HIRING OUR LOBBYST MAYBE NOT THE CHOICE OF MOST BUT HE HAS DONE A FANTATSTIC JOB OF GETTING THE NLA RCOGNIZED ON THE HILL.I HAVE ALSO WORK VERY HARD TO STRENGHTEN OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ITLA I AM NOW AMEMBER OF THE ITLA. I HAVE WORKED VERY QUIETLY BEHIND THE SCENES TO FIANALLY SETTLE THEPINNACLE ISSUE. AND IAM A STRONG SUPPORTER OF MR.CIRRUZZO. I HAVE ALSO MADE MANY TRIPS TO WASHINGTON ON MY OWN DIME AND HAVE LEARNED THE SLOW AND PAINFULL RULES OF POLITICS.I AM NOT USED TO HAVING TO DEFEND MYSELF BUT THI IS PART OF THE RULES OF POLITICS.I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANOTHER TERM BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY ISSUES THAT I FEEL THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED AND I WANT TO THANK JIM FOR POINTING THEM OUT A LOT OF THEM WERE MY CONCERNS EVEN BEFORE ALL OF THIS WAS STARTED BUT ROME WASN'T BUILT IN ADAY THIS IS A VOLUNTEER JOB I LOVE THIS INDUSTRY I AM PROUD TO BE A LEADER IN THIS INDUSTRY AND I AM PROUD THAT I'VE HAD A HAND IN ADDING LEGITAMCY TO IT. THANK YOU CORY ROZEN <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mr. Rozen,
Prior to your terms as treasurer for the NLA have you had any prior experience in the operations of a limousine association?

Please give a quick synopses of the current problems occurring at the NLA?
Such as this illegal election and the NLA taking over the responsibility of the CTCP.

Also I have been a member of the NLA since 1995, and have never received a notice of the annual meeting. Could you explain why I did not receive any notice. If there were such meetings please tell me when and where they took place and when the next one will be held.

December 13th, 2000, 12:31 PM

Cadillac Frank you have said it well as we have said before. They don't answer with real answers. That Goldberg crap is so bogus, these people will back him in hopes he will buy them (ala Daryl Norman Bates). Its your turn to ream them.

December 13th, 2000, 01:25 PM

If the NLA doesn't hold elections, does that mean that the current crew stays in there forever??? (or until they are forceably removed - legally that is).

December 13th, 2000, 02:22 PM

A side note here:

I emailed every NLA candidate to invite them to give their position on the issues. (JHJ did the same?) If their email was bad (undeliverable) I sent the same invitation letter via FAX doing the same.

As you can see, none of them have taken the time to give their opinions as of yet. I hope this changes in the next few days.

I know Gary (PureLuxury), Tim (FlyteTime), Don (Au Premiere), and Ron (Precept) are all registered members of the Forum.

Gary has given us some info in a previous post in this thread.

Let see what time and notification brings.

December 13th, 2000, 02:52 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by XENEFOX Media Corporation:
A side note here:

I emailed every NLA candidate to invite them to give their position on the issues. (JHJ did the same?) If their email was bad (undeliverable) I sent the same invitation letter via FAX doing the same.

As you can see, none of them have taken the time to give their opinions as of yet. I hope this changes in the next few days.

I know Gary (PureLuxury), Tim (FlyteTime), Don (Au Premiere), and Ron (Precept) are all registered members of the Forum.

Gary has given us some info in a previous post in this thread.

Let see what time and notification brings.

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Mike,
As usual you continue to give, give, give, but dont hold your breath.
Suggest you, Hesch and the Big Ragu visit Mr. Buffos forum. It seems hes not answering questions at this time. Well not mine anyway.

December 13th, 2000, 02:56 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Hesch (from Florida):
If the NLA doesn't hold elections, does that mean that the current crew stays in there forever??? (or until they are forceably removed - legally that is). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the past 5 years I have never heard of seen or been notified of an annual meeting, therefor this board cant even exist.

December 14th, 2000, 04:46 AM

Hello fellow NLA members. Here is an idea. Now that we have the forum open, lets just wait and see who responds and who doesn't. As it goes along JHJ can post a short note listing pros and cons for each candidate. I don't mean a posting that you have to scroll forever to read, just a short pro and con for each candidate as he sees it then we can comment on what we favor. Jim, you started the forum now let it move at it's own pace and see what happens.

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Brandy Fuller
Owner S.L.S.

December 14th, 2000, 12:35 PM

Mike and the Cadillac Man I have a feeling some of the guys running are afraid to answer because that answer could hurt their chances.
I checked out Garys forum and Guy did ask Gary a couple of interesting questions, I believe he is a straight up guy so I hope he knows what hes getting into.

December 14th, 2000, 01:08 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ragu:
Mike and the Cadillac Man I have a feeling some of the guys running are afraid to answer because that answer could hurt their chances.
I checked out Garys forum and Guy did ask Gary a couple of interesting questions, I believe he is a straight up guy so I hope he knows what hes getting into.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please - DO NOT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. I really do not have time to discuss situations that I am not yet FULLY briefed on. I hope that you understand that I am not available every second of the day to answer question, after question.

I am a very honorable person and those of you who know me can say that I am certainly fit for the position.

As stated before, I am doing this for us, not me. Therefore, if you have issues or problems, please address them. They certainly need to be fixed and if they're not, there better be a good explanation of why not.

Gary

December 14th, 2000, 01:31 PM

Here is some breaking news I bet you didn't know. Bob Bellagama resigned from the NLA board. To bad I hate to see fellow italians give up, this took place on Nov 21. I wonder why Daryl Norman Bates did not let his board members know until December? How much you want to bet he tries to put off filling that seat until after the illegal election and tries to fill the seat with one of the losers. Goldberg? Oh yes we will campaign against him, we already started.
I also suggest that someone other than the existing board be present when the balotts come in and get counted, as a member you have the right.

December 14th, 2000, 01:37 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Ragu:
Here is some breaking news I bet you didn't know. Bob Bellagama resigned from the NLA board. To bad I hate to see fellow italians give up, this took place on Nov 21. I wonder why Daryl Norman Bates did not let his board members know until December? How much you want to bet he tries to put off filling that seat until after the illegal election and tries to fill the seat with one of the losers. Goldberg? Oh yes we will campaign against him, we already started.
I also suggest that someone other than the existing board be present when the balotts come in and get counted, as a member you have the right.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is my understanding that the attempt will be made to fill this vacancy by Cory Rozen since he is likely to lose the election, if a legal election is ever held. But don't worry, this attempt will fail - Darryl has been outflanked on this issue. Just wait a bit and all will be clear. Trust me.

December 14th, 2000, 01:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gary Buffo:

Please - DO NOT TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY. I really do not have time to discuss situations that I am not yet FULLY briefed on. I hope that you understand that I am not available every second of the day to answer question, after question.

I am a very honorable person and those of you who know me can say that I am certainly fit for the position.

As stated before, I am doing this for us, not me. Therefore, if you have issues or problems, please address them. They certainly need to be fixed and if they're not, there better be a good explanation of why not.

Gary
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Gary -

With all due respect, I don't think the members are going to accept that kind of response given the current status of the rebellion. If you truly want to be elected as an NLA director, it is incumbent upon you to become familiar with these issues and take a position on them. Most of the issues are identified in various topics in this forum. I don't think it will be possible to be elected otherwise.

December 14th, 2000, 02:02 PM

Thats right he did resign and it was tried to be kept quiet by Mr Norman. Jim is right things are being worked right now, he will never get away with just putting in cory. Yes ragu I will demand to be present when the ballots are opened, I have the right as an nla member and so do you. Maybe with somebody outside the board present this election will be different. If it even is allowed to take place.
To Cadillac Frank stay on keep asking those questions, the board probably wont answer but I will.
To Gary Buffo my guys tell me you are alright but you should answer questions that are asked.

December 15th, 2000, 12:17 AM

Since the NLA election is technically not yet begun, and certainly is not in full swing, it does not distress me that there has not yet been a lot of acitivity in the forums that Michael set up for each of the candidates, although I have to admit it doesn't look like we have much in the way of agressive candidates. Remember, many if not most of these people were literally begged to run because of the stupid division of the board into regions and the fact that there were noit enough people interested in running to fill the vacancies. This is typical of NLA and everything that is wrong with it. Now we have candidates that think that since they were begged to run they don't have to do anything and that they may not have to take any firm or hard positions. This board needs to be reduced to seven members elected at-large from the membership. This is going to happen if I have to stake my reputation on it. This election is shaping up like all the others so far, and we have to be sure that we elect the best we can get, even if some of them are drips.

December 15th, 2000, 01:29 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Joe C in NY:
Thats right he did resign and it was tried to be kept quiet by Mr Norman. Jim is right things are being worked right now, he will never get away with just putting in cory. Yes ragu I will demand to be present when the ballots are opened, I have the right as an nla member and so do you. Maybe with somebody outside the board present this election will be different. If it even is allowed to take place.
To Cadillac Frank stay on keep asking those questions, the board probably wont answer but I will.
To Gary Buffo my guys tell me you are alright but you should answer questions that are asked.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Members of the NLA,
I have sent a letter to Darryl Norman, President and also Linda Bouland of the NLA requesting that I be present during the opening of the ballots. I feel that you have trust in me and I want to make sure that the ballots are opened and counted honestly. This will satisfy me along with the members of the NLA that have trusted me in the last five years.
Carolyn

December 15th, 2000, 02:22 AM

Carolyn and others -
We have this morning discovered another way that the NLA staff rigs the elections. Linda Bouland told Joe Cirruzzo this morning that if the voting NLA member does not put his name and address on the envelope in which he returns his ballot it will be disqualified and thrown away. Please note that although the by-laws provide for voting by ballot, the by-laws do not have any specific requirements as to how this is done. If the NLA staff is throwing ballots away, they are on a frolic of their own and probably committing a criminal offense in addition. This has got to stop. These ballots not only have to be watched closely by NLA members, but they're supposed to be opened at the annual meeting in front of the members. Now it looks like we have to watch the staff everday when the ballots are received by mail. This is a phony election and unless someone gets immediate control of the method by which ballots are received and what is done with them, we are going to have to go to Court to put a stop to it. I think it's time we also consider a lawsuit against Host Communications. See me next post for details on this.

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December 15th, 2000, 02:27 AM

In August, I started beating the drum concern ing the incompetence of the NLA staff. I have now concluded that they are not only incompetent, but malevolent as well. Yesterday, Linda Bouland assembled a conference call for the Nominating Committee. During the call, the subject of the nomination of Alan Fisher came up. Linda Bouland interjected herself into the discussion of the Nominating Committee to try to keep Alan Fisher off the ballot for this election. Not only did she interject herself into something that she has nothing to do with, but she slandered Alan to the other participants. She attempted this morning to justify her misconduct by claiming that she is an "advisor" to NLA and had a right to speak up. Linda is a CLERK - not an advisor. It is past time for Linda Bouland to go. It will be better, of course, if NLA just leaves Host Communications behind, along with the Linda Boulands of the world, but for now we need to send this miscreant packing.

December 15th, 2000, 02:33 AM

December 15th, 2000, 02:44 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jhj:
In August, I started beating the drum concern ing the incompetence of the NLA staff. I have now concluded that they are not only incompetent, but malevolent as well. Yesterday, Linda Bouland assembled a conference call for the Nominating Committee. During the call, the subject of the nomination of Alan Fisher came up. Linda Bouland interjected herself into the discussion of the Nominating Committee to try to keep Alan Fisher off the ballot for this election. Not only did she interject herself into something that she has nothing to do with, but she slandered Alan to the other participants. She attempted this morning to justify her misconduct by claiming that she is an "advisor" to NLA and had a right to speak up. Linda is a CLERK - not an advisor. It is past time for Linda Bouland to go. It will be better, of course, if NLA just leaves Host Communications behind, along with the Linda Boulands of the world, but for now we need to send this miscreant packing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Well, this is interesting. I did not participate in the conference call. I signed off a letter prepared by David Sellinger listing those who are running for the board. The list also included Mr. Fisher. Since at least three of us signed the letter, that's a majority. The conference call was not needed.

As far as Alan Fisher, I included him on my list since I have never seen the "Letter of resignation" that he wrote. I have asked for a copy of the letter two times. I have never received a response. I do not know Alan on a personal basis but I do not feel there is any reason to keep an NLA member in good standing from running for a board seat.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member
Nomination Committee Member

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December 15th, 2000, 03:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Riverside Limo:
Jim:

Why don't we all set a date to meet at Host Communications office all at once. There is strength in numbers.

Wade Randolph
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I know that we are in the midst of a rebellion, but I had not contemplated the fact that we might have to storm the Host Communication offices like Fort Sumter. I am fascinated by the fact that in my rather numerous years of practicing law I have not encountered this kind of arrogant and entrenched stupidity in any situation that did not involve taking millions of dollars from someone who didn't want to part with it. If this situation is not exceptional, it is hard for me to conclude anything other than that this whole NLA mess involves very big amounts of money and someone fears being parted from it. Who? Why? Where? I have suspiciions, but nothing confirmed YET.

December 15th, 2000, 03:19 AM

I want to make one further observation on why the NLA staff is not to be trusted. First, as we all know, or should know, these people are employed and supervised by Host Communications. Second, not only on the current board is there substantial, if not majority, sentiment that the contract with Host Communications should be terminated or not renewed, but the new board will definitely dump Host. That is - IF the new board is elected in an election that is not rigged. Since this involves a lot of money to Host, leaving the receiving, custody and counting of ballots to Host is ridiculous - of course the election will be rigged. We must quickly find a way of taking the NLA staff out of the loop for this election.

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December 15th, 2000, 08:18 AM

THIS IS A COPIED MESSAGE from the "Gary Buffo" thread.

>>>>>>>
Based on the responses received (or lack thereof) it is frightening that the NLA candidates have no intention on giving their positions to their constituencies.

Limos.com is an NLA Member. (Our membership expires this month and we have not made a renewal decision). When the potential board members can't take 5 minutes to voice their position and their agenda, how can anyone effectively vote for any of them?

(Don Kensey the exception)

What the heck is going on? Upon election, these candidates are supposed to serve their constituencies -- of which, many are situated right here and now. (Perhaps 130,000 user sessions per month is not enough to warrant a viable constituency?)

Actually, it doesn't matter how many people visit this site. Limos.com is an NLA Member who is providing a forum to the candidates so we, as NLA members, can make an effective evaluation and a decision. No response from any of them outside of Don Kensey and Gary Buffo, who now, will disappear for 3 weeks.

We've been pretty neutral (aka "Switzerland") throughout this whole rebellion thing however if these non-responses and lack of interest from candidates continues, our "country affiliation" may change.

The candidates have been emailed and faxed. I will have to schedule another email and another fax to see if we can get some platforms and positions out here.

All I want is information on the candidate stands so I can determine where my NLA Membership will go in Year 2001. As of now, it sits in the "on-hold" pile and will continue to do so until I hear more from the candidates.

Michael Composto, Limos.com
Founder and NLA Member

December 15th, 2000, 08:42 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jhj:
I want to make one further observation on why the NLA staff is not to be trusted. First, as we all know, or should know, these people are employed and supervised by Host Communications. Second, not only on the current board is there substantial, if not majority, sentiment that the contract with Host Communications should be terminated or not renewed, but the new board will definitely dump Host. That is - IF the new board is elected in an election that is not rigged. Since this involves a lot of money to Host, leaving the receiving, custody and counting of ballots to Host is ridiculous - of course the election will be rigged. We must quickly find a way of taking the NLA staff out of the loop for this election.

[This message has been edited by jhj (edited 12-15-2000).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jim:

Isnt there some kind of rule in the bylaws of most associations that allows members to take over the board if there are enough unhappy members and if the organization isnt following the rules. I'm thinking if we can get a petition signed by enough members that we can take control of the bank accounts and documents. You let me know what your thoughts on this are.

Wade Randolph

December 15th, 2000, 08:45 AM

Jim:

I spoke to an attorney friend of mine this afternoon and he told me we could possibly go to a court in D.C. and petition a judge to issue a temporary restraining order against the NLA and Host to prevent a bogus election. Let me know your thoughts.

Wade Randolph

December 15th, 2000, 09:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Riverside Limo:
Jim:

I spoke to an attorney friend of mine this afternoon and he told me we could possibly go to a court in D.C. and petition a judge to issue a temporary restraining order against the NLA and Host to prevent a bogus election. Let me know your thoughts.

Wade Randolph<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wade - where have you been. My posts for the last several months have largely centered around the fact that we intend to precisely the above. In fact, you e-mailed me and signed on to such an action. We are waiting for the right time to avoid having to go to court every week with that week's accumulation of illegalities. In response to your post two back, no, the approach you suggest is not lawful. However, it is possible that when we go to Court in D.C. we can impress the judge that so many corporate regularities have been violated that the NLA is not, in fact, operating as a corporation and should be dissolved. It might not be hard to do so given the fact that NLA is so far off the reservation on so many things. All of this is coming to a head as this election nears. This will all be over by the February Show.

December 15th, 2000, 11:11 AM

Isnt there some kind of rule in the bylaws of most associations that allows members to take over the board if there are enough unhappy members and if the organization isnt following the rules. I'm thinking if we can get a petition signed by enough members that we can take control of the bank accounts and documents. You let me know what your thoughts on this are.

Wade Randolph[/B][/QUOTE]

Page 15, Article 6 Section G. NLA BY Laws.
Any or all of the the directors may be removed for cause by a vote of the members or by action of the Board. Directors may be removed without cause only by vote of at least two thirds of all the voting members of the NLA.

Although a great idea, I'm not sure if a petition is considered a vote. Seeing how there is no annual meeting it wont happen their. Also I believe it would be difficult to get 2/3 of the unknowing members of the NLA to sign the election ballot never mind a petition to overthrow the board.

Lets face it for most members of the NLA there $120.00 dues is advertisement.

December 15th, 2000, 11:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Carolyn:
Members of the NLA,
I have sent a letter to Darryl Norman, President and also Linda Bouland of the NLA requesting that I be present during the opening of the ballots. I feel that you have trust in me and I want to make sure that the ballots are opened and counted honestly. This will satisfy me along with the members of the NLA that have trusted me in the last five years.
Carolyn<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Carolyn,
Your quest is greatly appreciated, yet as a member of the NLA I'm shamed that the nominations have come down to this.

How did things go at the dentist?

December 15th, 2000, 12:33 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Page 15, Article 6 Section G. NLA BY Laws.
Any or all of the the directors may be removed for cause by a vote of the members or by action of the Board. Directors may be removed without cause only by vote of at least two thirds of all the voting members of the NLA.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This language does not mean that the members "take over" the Association. It only means that you remove the directors, but you have to elect new ones. A petition is not the same as a vote, and, no, you will never get 2/3 of the voting members to support any such action as most of them are members in name only with no real interest in anything. I understand that only 236 votes were cast in the 2000 election out of 1,500 members, give or take. But this does tell you how easy it is for those who are determined to do so to take working control of the board of directors.

December 15th, 2000, 01:43 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by jhj:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>
Page 15, Article 6 Section G. NLA BY Laws.
Any or all of the the directors may be removed for cause by a vote of the members or by action of the Board. Directors may be removed without cause only by vote of at least two thirds of all the voting members of the NLA.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This language does not mean that the members "take over" the Association. It only means that you remove the directors, but you have to elect new ones. A petition is not the same as a vote, and, no, you will never get 2/3 of the voting members to support any such action as most of them are members in name only with no real interest in anything. I understand that only 236 votes were cast in the 2000 election out of 1,500 members, give or take. But this does tell you how easy it is for those who are determined to do so to take working control of the board of directors.

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Hey jyj,
Thats what I posted. you stealin my stuff?

December 15th, 2000, 03:51 PM

Michael don't you think it pretty bad that only 236 out of 1500(?)members voted. I haven't counted but 1500 might even be high.
It is very true most use the NLA just to market with, they have no other stake in it. We said the same thing about the people that joined that bogus safety program as they thought it would bring them more business from the NLA. These board members should not be fooled because people are not posting on the forum, there is 100's reading it. You have done a good job with it. Brought much to light.

December 16th, 2000, 01:33 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Big Ragu:
Michael don't you think it pretty bad that only 236 out of 1500(?)members voted. I haven't counted but 1500 might even be high.
It is very true most use the NLA just to market with, they have no other stake in it. We said the same thing about the people that joined that bogus safety program as they thought it would bring them more business from the NLA. These board members should not be fooled because people are not posting on the forum, there is 100's reading it. You have done a good job with it. Brought much to light. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ragu:

I have been a member in good standing with the NLA for over 4 years now and have only been sent one ballot in those 4 years. And that was the first year that I joined. I don't think these people are sending out all the members ballots.

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Wade Randolph

December 16th, 2000, 03:04 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wade Randolph:
[B] Ragu:

I have been a member in good standing with the NLA for over 4 years now and have only been sent one ballot in those 4 years. And that was the first year that I joined. I don't think these people are sending out all the members ballots.
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Wade

I joined the NLA in 94. Our company has received the ballot every year. I will find out how the ballots are prepared and mailed. It would seem will we need a way to alert the membership at least twice before the ballots arrive. I feel the best way is by a personal phone call and a follow up call by fax.

I was unable to get on your web site at 8am PST to see how big your company operation is. Are you sure that your office staff did not look at the envelope as junk mail and then filed it in area 51?

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

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December 16th, 2000, 05:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Cadillac Frank:
Carolyn,
Your quest is greatly appreciated, yet as a member of the NLA I'm shamed that the nominations have come down to this.

How did things go at the dentist?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just spooked me that you know that I went to the dentist. It didn't go too good. I had a bone implant that is coming out as the stitches came undone and the d..mn dentist is probably out having fun for Christmas while I lay sick and having a reaction to the medicine that she shouldn't have given me. Hard to talk right now, but thanks for asking. And who are you now?

December 16th, 2000, 12:06 PM

There is something to the fact about not getting the ballot. I know a few people in the Orlando area that did not get them.
Either on purpose or accident?
Not to change the subject but has any of you guys heard from Carmela or Big Pussy B lately.

December 16th, 2000, 03:41 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Big Ragu:
There is something to the fact about not getting the ballot. I know a few people in the Orlando area that did not get them.
Either on purpose or accident?
Not to change the subject but has any of you guys heard from Carmela or Big Pussy B lately.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'ma here, but visiting relatives in Arizona for the holidays. Nice and warm, but tough on Santa with the heavy equipment that he hauls around this time of year. Hey, Joey, will be sending your present for the holidays soon.
Carmela
P.s. Have someone check on Carolyn, she had a bad week with her operation.

December 17th, 2000, 07:21 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Carmela Maria:
I'ma here, but visiting relatives in Arizona for the holidays. Nice and warm, but tough on Santa with the heavy equipment that he hauls around this time of year. Hey, Joey, will be sending your present for the holidays soon.
Carmela
P.s. Have someone check on Carolyn, she had a bad week with her operation.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Carmela, Since you know that I went to the dentist, why don't you call the dentist and get me to call me. They haven't called me yet. Joe called to make sure I was ok, And Joe wants to know who you are and also who are you Cadillac Frank???
Come on, fess up, I don't feel well.

December 17th, 2000, 09:01 AM

Hey Carmela its me I finally figured out how to find this forum and bam there you are. What are you doing in Arizona I certainly hope you you weren't trying to visit that no good bum Sam. Hes in trouble again up here, but whats new. Me and big Vito will be in NY soon maybe you and T could meet us and we could go see Joe? Thats if Joe takes a break from that stupid NLA bull he wastes so much time on, you know Joe Jr wishes he would give it up and just concentrate on business and the ITLA. Well gotta go big Vito just got back and Im gonna try to get lucky. Call me when you get back home if you think real hard you will remember the number.
Kiss

December 17th, 2000, 01:03 PM

This message and reply was transfered from the topic named for NLA director candidate Deano Herrera.

quote:

Originally posted by NELA FOUNDER:
The NLA must be a bunch of fools. I mentioned to Daryl Norman that Mr Herrera is
not a fit person to be a board member. he asked to directly address the issue to the
nomination committee. As a retired director of the NLA and a member of past election
committees, I chose not to waste my time. After all I chose not to air my laundry in front
of them. But does anyone know why Mr Herrera keeps ignoring my invoices for over 2
years for a lousy $130. If the NLA is seeking to become ALI BABA and his band of
theives, I wish them luck.

You raise an interesting issue that has been batted about here and elsewhere for a few months now - what is
the role of the Nominating Committee? The by-laws set no requirements to stand for election as a director
other than that the candidate be a member in good standing and understand the commitment involved. The
Chairperson of the Committee has taken it upon herself to "investigate" applicants for nomination, similar to
Joseph McCarthy, including a fax blast to all members of names of applicants and inviting them to submit dirt
on the prospective candidates. I and others vigorously oppose these witchhunts which are used to discriminate
against those that certain people do not want on the the board, and to wink at the unfitness of those that they
do want on the board. In the hands of an idiot, this is a self-annoited power that we don't need. The proper
place to deal with "fitness" is in the election itself, as you are doing. Although I think criticism of Darryl
Norman concerning the handling of the nomination process is more than justified, I would hope that he, too,
doesn't start looking at fitness, for he should look at his own. The purpose of this forum and other methods of
complaining about director candidates is to raise issues such as you raise. The travesty of it all is that the NLA
board is too big, terms too restrictive, and through the phony "regionalization" it is necessary to hunt down
and beg people to run for the board. So don't be surprised what you end up with under such circumstances.
The NLA board need be no larger than seven working members, elected at-large and with no restrictions on
how many terms a director may serve.
Perhaps the serendipity of your post will be that Herrera comes out of hiding and participates in this forum.

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December 17th, 2000, 03:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jhj:
[B]This message and reply was transfered from the topic named for NLA director candidate Deano Herrera.

quote:

Originally posted by NELA FOUNDER:
The NLA must be a bunch of fools. I mentioned to Daryl Norman that Mr Herrera is
not a fit person to be a board member. he asked to directly address the issue to the
nomination committee. As a retired director of the NLA and a member of past election
committees, I chose not to waste my time. After all I chose not to air my laundry in front
of them. But does anyone know why Mr Herrera keeps ignoring my invoices for over 2
years for a lousy $130. If the NLA is seeking to become ALI BABA and his band of
theives, I wish them luck.

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I serve on two commitee's. I Co-chair the Vendor Liason group. I have work with members that have problems with vendors or in your case, with other NLA members. I have already settled several cases involving money owned to members. This case is not to old for me to look at. I just settled a case in which a member was owned $1500.00 from another member. This dispute had gone on for nearly two years. Please provid me the details, and I will work it.

I also serve on the nomination commitee. I was asked to see that Mr. Herrera had a valid business liscense. He does have one. However, I feel that Jim has valid points here. There is nothing in the bylaws that instructs the nomination commitee to conduct backgroud searches.

If the claims are valid. The questions should be posted for the candidate to answer.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

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December 18th, 2000, 01:24 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nina:
Hey Carmela its me I finally figured out how to find this forum and bam there you are. What are you doing in Arizona I certainly hope you you weren't trying to visit that no good bum Sam. Hes in trouble again up here, but whats new. Me and big Vito will be in NY soon maybe you and T could meet us and we could go see Joe? Thats if Joe takes a break from that stupid NLA bull he wastes so much time on, you know Joe Jr wishes he would give it up and just concentrate on business and the ITLA. Well gotta go big Vito just got back and Im gonna try to get lucky. Call me when you get back home if you think real hard you will remember the number.
Kiss<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nina, So good to hear from you! I'll call you today. I would love to go see Joey with you as long as he got that dog cleaned, but wait til I get back from Winter Break, (thats what the kids call it now instead of Christmas break) boy, are they driving me crazy. Hey, Joe, did my present get there yet?
Love,
Carmela Maria

December 18th, 2000, 11:02 AM

John you just said there is nothing in the bylaws to allow a nomination committee to do background checks. Joe Cirruzzo??????
You guys need to be careful today because I lost a real good friend of mine and I am still pissed that his life is over at 41.
NELA founder you are right and its been said
before, these companies talk all this bull but cant pay 130.00 bill then they want to be leaders in the industry. John why should this have to be mediated or why should anybody else be involved. I could see forgetting 1 month 2 months 3 months but this is rediculas, oh but then again Goldberg forgot to pay his dues 3? 4? 5? 6? years, pays to get caught up and you and the board nominates him to run. So this guy that cant pay 130.00 bill will pay it and everything will be great and you will let him run to. NOT. Yes I know we keep beating a dead horse but none of this board has ever justified letting this happen. Then you have Daryll Norman, depending on the way the wind blows is the way he will answer or not answer.
I have tried not to be overly critical on these forums, but have asked some questions to no avail, but Mr Founder got me cranked.
Thanks for the info.

December 18th, 2000, 12:03 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Guy in Tampa:
John you just said there is nothing in the bylaws to allow a nomination committee to do background checks. Joe Cirruzzo??????
You guys need to be careful today because I lost a real good friend of mine and I am still pissed that his life is over at 41.
NELA founder you are right and its been said
before, these companies talk all this bull but cant pay 130.00 bill then they want to be leaders in the industry. John why should this have to be mediated or why should anybody else be involved. I could see forgetting 1 month 2 months 3 months but this is rediculas, oh but then again Goldberg forgot to pay his dues 3? 4? 5? 6? years, pays to get caught up and you and the board nominates him to run. So this guy that cant pay 130.00 bill will pay it and everything will be great and you will let him run to. NOT. Yes I know we keep beating a dead horse but none of this board has ever justified letting this happen. Then you have Daryll Norman, depending on the way the wind blows is the way he will answer or not answer.
I have tried not to be overly critical on these forums, but have asked some questions to no avail, but Mr Founder got me cranked.
Thanks for the info.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Guy
Sorry about your friend. 41 is to young and during the holidays makes it even more sad.

The background check on Joey should not have happened at all. This procedure started a few years ago just like the region voting. I voted to have Joey and the ballot and I was not alone. Joey took himself out. I know your are pissed but like in sports " Wait to next year" Joey did what he thought was right and he will be back in 2002.

We are no longer doing background checks on candidates. As I started before, if voters have a problem with a candidate then post your questions or concerns on this forum. If a person running for office does not want to response then that individual has no business being elected.

There are several areas of the NLA that need correcting. Doing background checks on candidates is one of them. If fact as you saw in Joey's case, it became a witchhunt.

Mediation is a good way to solve problems. In the case of the $130, this could have been settled a long time ago.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

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December 22nd, 2000, 04:48 PM

John I know your one of the good guys so I wont be so hard on you, but lets get one thing straight you make it sound like Joe just decided not to run and pulled out. Joe pulled out not only because of him protecting his family but if the backgound garbage went to far an expose of many was about to be made public. That would have hurt even some of the good guys along with most of the bad guys, he didn't want to hurt his friends.
Now this poor sucker that owed 130.00 to a company might be bad and if this is his normal way to do business then I would want him as a director of the NLA.
But do you know how many DAV EL affiliates complain of waiting 90-120 days and more to be paid, is this the proper way for a company to operate, and sholud he really be a board member? What stance would he take if a grievence is filed by a company about another network company. See what I mean.
I will stop here and move to the other forum for some different questions.

January 2nd, 2001, 10:52 PM

Maybe the reason the candidates don't go on here is that you all sound like a bunch of idiots! Except for Mike with his sound advice to you all to respond and take your stands. All your bickering is useless to this industry and you even got under my fingernails also. However we got a brand new international airport at SFO and guess what? Just lovely there they don't have parking for large limousines to get their customers from the gates. Got Hawaii in the international section and they want to be number one? Well why didn't the NLA step in and defend us and make the new garage limousine accessible? What is the stand with the new candidates about this? Maybe I'll check in when I'm bored to find out your answers with your 5 star site. lol
PS. From one in a Million who gives a S---@#$

January 3rd, 2001, 01:40 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by 007:
Maybe the reason the candidates don't go on here is that you all sound like a bunch of idiots! Except for Mike with his sound advice to you all to respond and take your stands. All your bickering is useless to this industry and you even got under my fingernails also. However we got a brand new international airport at SFO and guess what? Just lovely there they don't have parking for large limousines to get their customers from the gates. Got Hawaii in the international section and they want to be number one? Well why didn't the NLA step in and defend us and make the new garage limousine accessible? What is the stand with the new candidates about this? Maybe I'll check in when I'm bored to find out your answers with your 5 star site. lol
PS. From one in a Million who gives a S---@#$<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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007

We have a new airport in Portland,Oregon. The Airport did have a meeting with the ground transportation concerning parking issues.

Did your local association do anything? Was a letter sent to the NLA headquarters?

If you or your association would send me a letter stating your concerns with the Port of San Francisco, I will talk to the necessary people. If I have to call "The Major" Willie Brown, I am prepared to do that.
John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

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