CTCP Officially Dead?

One of my members just informed me that the NLA has officially dumped the CTCP and it is dead. John is there any truth to this? Anyone? Anyone at all?

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Michael -

The CTCP has been dead since last summer. It has been declared in a coma by the NLA, i.e., NLA now admits the program has been "suspended" due to financial losses. The party line is that the shell NLA LLC which was created to receive the CTCP "gift" from Pinnacle still has a board and the board is going to be monitoring the possibility of some kind of certification program. NLA simply can't belly up to the bar and admit this was a fiasco. BUT, dead by any other name is "DEAD."

James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

I had no idea what the CTCP was so I went and looked it up here is a link for anybody else in the dark.

http://www.saferide.net

LETTER TO NLA MEMBERS. Thank you my friend in Tampa for forwarding this to me.

June 19, 2001

Dear NLA Member,

At its regularly scheduled Board of Directors Meeting, the National Limousine Association Board of Directors voted on May 6, 2001 to suspend the NLA Certification/Accreditation program. This program has generated significant losses for the NLA and the forecast was for even steeper losses as a new program was devised, marketed and implemented.

The NLA has not abandoned the concept of such a program, however. One of the significant steps that had already been taken in the development of a new NLA Accreditation Program was the creation of the NLA LLC, a separate limited liability entity that would ultimately administer the program.

The NLA has left the NLA LLC board in place and has charged them with performing due diligence in researching the future of NLA accreditation, to include researching current certification programs, driver training programs and safety programs. From this research, the LLC Board of Directors will make a recommendation as to the future of NLA programs in this area.

By suspending the current program, the Board of Directors has ensured significant savings in the cost of administration. This will allow our association to continue to provide an outstanding level of member benefits and aggressively pursue the interests of the industry in important issues such as the Gas Guzzler Tax and interstate commerce issues.

Sincerely,


Bruce D. Cottew
Executive Director

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Something to contemplate: Would CTCP be dead if limos.com did not provide a forum for argument over this program?

James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

I also read the letter published in the March/April Issue of the LimoScene. Waite just a minute! Today is June 19th. Oh well better late than never.

Question is ... who will the "Angel of Death" visit next?

There are other posts on here which I can't specify that have angered some people and stirred up a legal-brewha. Funny, the allegations continue to go unanswered. Please persecute the parties doing the alledging, not the company that provides the bullhorn. Guess this should be another topic, in another forum....

Reminds me when they capture a killer who knifes his victims and they go after the knife manufacturer .... or a drunk driver who kills a jogger and the family decides to sue Ford Motor Company because the driver was driving a green Ford Escort (AZ plate MKV). Does it happen?

The bottomline is, there are a lot of not-so-cool things going on in this industry that could use some exposing.

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I have NEVER hit anyone or anything with my green Ford Escort!!! A better example would be someone suing Chevrolet for hearing damage because the speaker system in their Corvette convertible was so powerful it caused the driver to play the music too loud.

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an inside joke?

James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

Its so "inside" that I am on the outside.

Ha Ha http://limos.infopop.cc/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Yeah it might be dead, but wait!!!! Open the NLA memership book go to the members by airport page back side see Celebrity Limousine, keep looking oh oh "NLA certified Chauffeurs" oops.

Go to limos.com listings for lots of companies and you'll find a "certification" bug on their listing - included among them is NLA Director John Sinibaldi's Five Star Limousine in Salem, Oregon. Better yet, click through to the Carey Five Star web site and you'll see how it touts "safety certified chauffeurs." Same certification as Carey Indianapolis.

James H. Joseph
Pegasus Chauffeured Motor Cars
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
jhj@pegasus-pittsburgh.com

Our company was a charter member of the certification program. We still believe in the program, but since the program is now on the shelve we have opted to another program. This program has the endorsement of the National Safty Council. I will provide details in the near future, film at 11pm.

It seems that some of the regular users on this form are taking delight on this terrible accident that occured at Carey. All I can say, is "Watch out, what goes around comes around". This accident made more news since it was Carey. There have been many more accidents involving small operators that have not made the news like this one.

This accident could have happen to anyone. Dav-El, ELS, Empire, Boston Coach or any of us. Safty programs will never totaly eliminate fatal accidents. If it did, we would not have planes going down,a Space Shuttle blowing up or a ship getting ramed by a sub.

We as an industry should learn from this accident. Instead of some of you getting taking cheap shots at Carey and the safty program, I would like to know if this happen to your company would you be happy if I or others were taking cheap shots at you? I am sure companies on the Smith program and other safty programs have had accidents.

We need to circle the wagons. The last thing we need is the Feds coming in to regulate our industry.

One last thing: All I have read is the newspaper account of this accident. There still is the police report that has not been introduced into the discussion. We should not be making final conculsions until all the facts are in. I am also going to send an e-mail to Michael to remove the Certification Badge off the Limos.com page. Since we are no longer working with Pinnacle this is misleading. Once we are up and running on the new program, I will see if Michael will be placing some sort of bug on the page that addresses driving safty programs and drug testing.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

[This message was edited by fivestaroregon on July 21, 2001 at 10:30 AM.]

Hey John I don't think anybody is making light of the accident its a terrible tragedy, but when people talk of themselves as holier then thou, they get popped whenever possible.
Oh I agree with you 100% about not wanting the Feds to regulate us, but you better tell your commander and chief that, as he was the one making comments in the paper that we are under regulated, even less then cargo!
I will give you one thing, you at least come back on, because the talk of dissapearing threads, since the elections its more like dissapearing SUITS! Get the drift.

Thanks for your comments. Please refer to the other forum " The end is near". I addressed your concern about comments made by the Executive Director. When I get back to the office on Monday, I will try to attach his letter to the paper concerning his quotes.

John Sinibaldi
NLA Board Member

Hey John I don't think anybody is making light of the accident its a terrible tragedy, but when people talk of themselves as holier then thou, they get popped whenever possible.
Oh I agree with you 100% about not wanting the Feds to regulate us, but you better tell your commander and chief that, as he was the one making comments in the paper that we are under regulated, even less then cargo!
I will give you one thing, you at least come back on, because the talk of dissapearing threads, since the elections its more like dissapearing SUITS! Get the drift.